2003 04 Piston Slap

The moral of this story.... .Its really easy tell your buddies you got screwed this weekend. But they wount believe it unless you have proof. Steve C

*As I previously said, I am not a mechanic but I do know how the engine functions. The most I have ever done on an engine was to replace the cam shaft in my 1974 Cheyenne Super 20 2x which had a 350 4bl and the only mistake I made was I put the distributor in 180* backwards, it took me a couple of hours to figure out why it wouldn't start but I did figure it out. I bought this truck new for a little under $5,000 (I have been buying Chevy's for a long time).

I don't have the resources to gamble with in order to hire a lawyer, and a qualified mechanic to disassemble the engine to get those specs. so that I can sue Chevrolet and force them to fix this engine. What I do know is that when you have metal against metal that makes as loud of a noise as my engine makes at start up that there is a problem and I am very concerned about the life expectancy of this engine.

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Kiri
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"Kiri" wrote

I wouldn't worry about the life expectancy of the engine. I work in a GM dealership, and we have yet to actually take apart one of these engines for the "piston slap" noise that you are experiencing. And it's been 4 years since these engines made their appearance. Yes, they make noise cold, yes it's annoying, yes, I wouldn't be that excited about it if I owned one, no, it doesn't do any real damage that I've seen.

This piston slap problem has been around for ages, it's nothing new. The rise of the internet has simply made the info available to everyone, and all the people that are concerned now have a place to either bitch about the problem, or discover a whole lot of other people that are having the same problem. But trust me, it's been around for quite a while. I was replacing pistons on Chrysler 3.3 v-6's for the same reason over 8 years ago. Nothing wrong with the engines, just customers all excited about the "ticking" noise in the morning. GM has just decided that they aren't going to replace pistons for every complaining customer, as the problem will simply re-appear within a certain time frame anyway.

Ian

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shiden_kai

lawyer, and a

everyone,

I generally agree with you, and have not read the entire post's thread. I came in on the guy you are replying to here.

Ian, do you have any expertise with different cast irons' properties used in engines?

Hatt

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DJ Hatt

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For the moment, all I have to add is that moto cross 4 strokers are not doing well right now. In that broad vein, it is supposedly because of a piston with NO skirting. Prove it doesn't work? I can't, its just what I heard. Supposedly, they are getting it right, but I can't prove that either.

Hatt

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DJ Hatt

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driven it

Moto cross racers bikes with these "no skirt" pistons are being torn apart and re-done very rapidly I hear.

Hatt

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DJ Hatt

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authatative

Get your wallet out for fuel, and take a winter survival kit with you. Around here I see many of these along side the road with the hood up.

Hatt

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DJ Hatt

I don't think that I am over reacting, but I hope your right.

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Kiri

Re: 2003 04 Piston Slap

During the recent daily comedy show.... alt.autos.4x4.chevy-trucks

snipped-for-privacy@aol.com (Randall Smith) showed his knowledge of his computers "go to" button in this scene......

I can't find anything on the net that talks to the subject from a third party perspective.

. try this........

GM PISTON SLAP FIASCO HOME PAGE Address:

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or just use your "go-to" feature and type in piston slap

Scibs Abell ~~typed in "Hell" once.....and was trapped for weeks~~

-----seperator mark, non html music.

Very well done site Scibs. I wonder why no one acknowledges it. I have seen similar marks on a cylinder wall from my engine after using Mobile 1.

Hatt

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DJ Hatt

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I've seen engines laying on the floor out of brand new rigs at one of the biggest Chevrolet dealers in the entire country. I don't know if they're the engine you are talking about, but I do know that they were warranty repairs.

products,

I agree, and I told them that in 1974. They made it good, [Detroit management], and put in my third new engine in less than 12 thousand miles. I haven't had a problem with GM again till I bought a used 88. That was my fault though.

problem with

I can empathize with that.

Hatt

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DJ Hatt

In a little defense of the Durango (my dad owns one, I have a GMC and my mom has a Buick). My folks just returned from a 12,000 mile trip with the Durango, averaged 13 MPG+, towing a pop-up trailer. He has the original style Durango, with a 5.9 and 3.92 axles. That truck has only gone in for oil changes and we did the front brakes because he scortched them in the Va. hills when the controller for his trailer brakes went out while towing their 28 footer. Oh yeah, he's done shocks and tires also, but there's a running joke that the shocks on them come pre-worn from the factory. He had one problem with the truck on the trip, but we determined it was heat related and would be troublesome for a shop to pinpoint.

Oh yeah, he's looking at replacing the Durango for his towing needs, he's looked at Dodge's offerings in the Rams, but may also be looking at a Duramax.

Sorry, OT, but I DID have to get in a little defense of his truck...

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Mike Levy

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No problem here, I understand feelings.

Hatt

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DJ Hatt

I don't have the software to do this, so I will do it virtually

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Kiri

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D (coments in paranthesis...provided by.....)

The_Gear snipped-for-privacy@webtv.net (Steve=A0Cook) =A0=A0(reply inline)

snipped-for-privacy@seething.net (unhappy=A0buyer) "Randall Smith" wrote in......

Hello Group..... "(Hello Mr Smith if thats your real name)

"Professional My A_ _," (you said it not me)

=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0You will serve yourself well by selecting a Ford Expedition or a Dodge Durango for your family. Chevrolet has been selling trucks and SUVs with what I believe are defective engines. (Noone asked what you believe...They asked what you know)

I made the mistake of purchasing one of their experiments and am now suffering the consequences. After hearing the cold start engine noise I took the truck into the dealer. (Good for you)

=A0=A0The first few times they said that it was normal and that they had received a "do not repair order" from GM. (you must go there alot)

=A0=A0I don't know if I'm misunderstanding that, but if you issue a "do not repair order" then that means that their is something to repair (no that means ITS NOT AN ISSUE and send the hypocondreact back home)

=A0=A0The noise continued to grow in intensity and length, so I took the truck in again and this time made an issue of having them check it out. I left the truck with the dealer overnight so that they could hear the noise themselves. This time instead of saying again that it was normal, they said that they had spoken with the GM tech advisers and now claim that it is "carbon buildup on the pistons" I asked if they would fix this problem and they said that there was nothing that they could do.

I only have 5700 miles on this vehicle and have had this noise since new, (Should have asked for another one before you ran it into the ground...)

=A0=A0as I have continually told the dealer. The idea that this is "carbon buildup on the pistons" is a joke, that is unless the truck was delivered to the dealer with the carbon preinstalled. (must have been a cruel joke just for you) =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0

=A0I called the "Chevrolet Customer Assistance Center" and they also were well trained, they said the same line, Carbon Deposits. She admitted this has been going on since 1999 until now, that they have redesigned the engines to correct this while still insisting that it is not a problem. (see its not a problem your over reacting)

I feel that Chevrolet knowingly sold me a defective truck (yep they pin point all the Smiths out)

and in my opinion that is fraud, If you think these engines aren't defective just go out and see what the resale value is. (Sounds like this is slander)

=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0In the end they refused to fix the problem and offered me a 3 year extension (only covering the engine) to my warranty, I asked what the hell good that would do me, if they say that it's not a problem now are they all of a sudden going to say it's a problem in three years and fix it (keep in mind that they have doubled the acceptable oil consumption rate to cover this ). (ok Mr fix it what is the acceptable oil consumption?)

=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0Chevrolet has conducted an experiment with these engines and we, the consumers are the guineapigs. (I see the mental side affects it has caused) =A0=A0=A0

=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0I will never buy a GM product again. Ford, Dodge, Japanese products, anything is better than dealing with a company that is eager to take your money and then doesn't care about your problems with their mistakes. (Maybe he should read other news groups. They all have one or two of him in there)

=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0Thanks (NO PROB)

this Newsgroup for giving me a forum to state my problem with Chevrolet and GM. (im Sorry what was your problem?)

Steve C

(Believes Scrib is a very cheerfull and informative.....But should really only eat beans when visiting the endlaws...) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D you're relentless......

and getting oh ...so....much better.

lol

marsh monster ~:~puts the beans away.....fer now~:~

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Marsh Monster

The way I understand it is,some of the cylinders get bored slightly oversize & the newer short skirt pistons are galling in the cylinder also galling the cylinder. Which will lead to low compression & oil useage.BUT GM claims it's all normal?? I would too do you have a clue how many engines are affected just do to piston-slap.com & find out the TRUTH!!!!!

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Bob Doe

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