Most Big Suv/Truck owners deserve what they're they're paying at the gas pump

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That is an awesome drive. I imagine in a Vette it would be perfect!
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Or take you wife and four kids with you? LOL
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Which Kia model are you laughing about, you silly drunk?
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Which Kia model, that can't pull your boat are asking about, you silly lefty kook drunk?
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GO AND FUCK YOURSELF !!! you wish you could afford one . truck owner

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Good luck throwing your money away on gas. With the money I saved on gas, I'm buying a Pioneer Kuro Elite 9th Generation Plasma, tv stand, a Bluray Player, and upgrading my surround sound receiver to a 7.1 channel one that does Dolby True HD and DTS HD just in time for the Olympics, whereas my older one only did DTS ES 6.1 discrete and Dolby Digital EX as its best formats.
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Good luck throwing your money away on gas. With the money I saved on gas, I'm buying a Pioneer Kuro Elite 9th Generation Plasma, tv stand, a Bluray Player, and upgrading my surround sound receiver to a 7.1 channel one that does Dolby True HD and DTS HD just in time for the Olympics, whereas my older one only did DTS ES 6.1 discrete and Dolby Digital EX as its best formats.
I hope you enjoy watching someone else live their life on your Pioneer Kuro Elite 9th Generation Plasma, tv stand, Bluray Player, and surround sound receiver 7.1 channel one that does Dolby True HD and DTS HD. I guess "Deadliest Catch" must look and sound spectacular!
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Feel better now?
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I love the fact that the roads are less crowded now and generally speaking I can drive my 1 ton truck as fast and as far as I want without a Prius getting in my way.. Sometimes I get bogged down in city traffic going slower than it did a year ago. I always maintain a safe following distance, but it only slows me down for as long as it takes get past that particular town. Once back on the open road, it's 80 MPH at 10 MPG! Hell, even the cops can't afford to keep up with me - I haven't gotten a speeding ticket since the price of gas hit $3.50/gallon.

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I agree on some counts. A lot of soccer moms and dingbats who never get off of the paved roads have no need whatsoever for a big 4wd vehicle. If these people were driving efficient vehicles, that alone would save many many barrels of oil.
Any fool that tailgates a car so that their headlights invade the vehicles interior as to make it glow like a nuclear reactor, deserves to be dragged out of the truck and thoroughly beaten. ( I have pulled over and waved in more than one idiot for an ass whuppin, no takers yet.) I very much despise dumbass tailgaters....daytime or night. (road rage? or justifiable?, as far as Im concerned any fool that tailgates and/or behaves in an aggressive manor behind me is putting me and/or my family in mortal danger and it gets my britches in a twist every time)...dont they teach people how to drive anymore? (just for the record, I aint no rubbernecking grandpa...yet, I get on down the road)
As far as the Iraq war, I just dont get how people think it was for OIL! It was to remove a vicious dictator. It was to take a fight from our doorstep, to someone else's. It was and is, a means to drastically reduce the vermin count. It is a long term strategy to stabilize a region full of religious nutjobs. Sure, no WMD's, but it still was the right thing to do, even if we used WMD's as the excuse for getting in....and my son just got back home from serving there. I am proud of him. Go Marines!
I have a full size Blazer, it is dedicated boat puller. If it werent for that truck and 4WD Id still be sitting at a few boat ramps. Also own a big 3/4 HD, crew cab, 6.0, mostly a camper puller, that doesnt get much use in that area these days. Maybe once a year we will take a 2 hour drive and camp for a few days. Also the wife has a Versa, for work, and puddle jumping about, got to have an econo car when there are two gas hungry beasts in the driveway.
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I agree on some counts. A lot of soccer moms and dingbats who never get off of the paved roads have no need whatsoever for a big 4wd vehicle. If these people were driving efficient vehicles, that alone would save many many barrels of oil.
Any fool that tailgates a car so that their headlights invade the vehicles interior as to make it glow like a nuclear reactor, deserves to be dragged out of the truck and thoroughly beaten. ( I have pulled over and waved in more than one idiot for an ass whuppin, no takers yet.) I very much despise dumbass tailgaters....daytime or night. (road rage? or justifiable?, as far as Im concerned any fool that tailgates and/or behaves in an aggressive manor behind me is putting me and/or my family in mortal danger and it gets my britches in a twist every time)...dont they teach people how to drive anymore? (just for the record, I aint no rubbernecking grandpa...yet, I get on down the road)
Bad drivers are not just limited to big SUV and full-sized pickups, although my impression is that people who drive them tend to push the envelope -- tailgaiting, running lights and speeding on the interstate. We have a Honda Pilot, a Civic and an Accord coupe I4. They all have their place -- but I guarantee you I use the Accord to drive the 56 round trip miles to work each day on I 75. At 32 + mpg you can see why. The wife uses the Civic around and town and the Pilot when the need arises.
As far as the Iraq war, I just dont get how people think it was for OIL! It was to remove a vicious dictator. It was to take a fight from our doorstep, to someone else's. It was and is, a means to drastically reduce the vermin count. It is a long term strategy to stabilize a region full of religious nutjobs. Sure, no WMD's, but it still was the right thing to do, even if we used WMD's as the excuse for getting in....and my son just got back home from serving there. I am proud of him. Go Marines!
Have a lot respect for Marines -- used to run each day with a MC 3 star when I served in the Pentagon years ago. He was 10 years older and I was hard pressed to stay with him. Now retired USAF-- too many years ago..
I have a full size Blazer, it is dedicated boat puller. If it werent for that truck and 4WD Id still be sitting at a few boat ramps. Also own a big 3/4 HD, crew cab, 6.0, mostly a camper puller, that doesnt get much use in that area these days. Maybe once a year we will take a 2 hour drive and camp for a few days. Also the wife has a Versa, for work, and puddle jumping about, got to have an econo car when there are two gas hungry beasts in the driveway.
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The pursuit of happyness.
There it is... real simple.
Whatever floats your boat, diffrent strokes for diffrent fokes, Live and let live.
I never understand ones need to berate someone for thier personal choices.
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You sure know how to lay it on real thick. I agree somewhat with you but not 100%. I think trucks and SUV's are safer but the drivers don't know how to drive them properly so the end result looks unsafe. I'm just glad I got rid of my 4Runner about 5 years ago. It did help us when we had some flooding and I liked being up high when driving compared to the cars I have now but other than that, I guess the cars work well for me now... certainly much better mpg's. I recall I was getting about 16/24 mpg with a 6cyl auto 4Runner and now with a 4 cyl auto Honda get around 24/34 mpg. That may not sound as good as 50mpg but it is real numbers on the road not the ideal / test track mpg's.
Anyway I want gas to go up to $5.00 / gal so everyone gets mad enough to make congress and the next president do something other than talk about it. I figure they will when enough people get really mad enough. Right now I think we are still to complacent so talk is about all we can expect from them. I may have to revise my thinking and hope for $6.00 / gal to get the job done???
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We'd have to pay politicians more than the corporations which are bribing them to do nothing. To understand this statement, you need to know that I consider campaign contributions to be bribes.
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On Jun 9, 4:10pm, RnR wrote:

Well, if everyone else drove the new 2009 Smart Car Hybrid, then there'd be so much excess gasoline, that they'd have to reduce the price to $1.00 a gallon because of weak demand. The scary thing is that with all those 18 wheelers and busses on the road, the Smart Car Hybrid just doesn't seem safe enough unless EVERYONE else drove one of these 75mpg micro hybrids. That's why I'd probably get a Camry Hybrid for my next car because it's far safer than any big suv, but it gets 40 MPG in the city. The thing that makes bigger cars and SUVs less safe is that they're VERY BAD at accident avoidance. How long does it take a big SUV to stop from 60 MPH? 165 feet? An average sedan would stop in 120, and a car like a Porsche GT2 would stop in 98 feet. That's why it's NOT the biggest vehicles that have the lowest death rates. A Honda Civic has a lower death rate than a Lincoln Town car because it can stop quickly enough and manuver around accidents where as big cars and trucks like Hummer H1s, H2s, Lincoln Town Cars, Ford Excursions, etc can't avoid those accidents, and what if that accident is against an 18 wheeler or a train, the SUV's added size isn't going to help any, whereas the Civics good brakes and manuverabiliy are going to help a whole lot more.. That's why A Toyota Rav4 is actually as FAR FAR safer SUV than a Ford Excursion or Hummer H1 in actual real world driving.
There are some safe SUVs, but most of the safest vehicles were midsize or larger sedans and coupes such as the Infinity G35, BMW 7 series, Audi A4/S4, Mercedes Benz E Class, Lexus ES330, etc. SUV safety is a MYTH you can easily get a car that's safer than ANY SUV for less money than that SUV. There are some SUVS that are safe, but there are MORE cars that are safe. A Car like a BMW 7 Series is a TANK and won't flip over like an SUV would. So if you feel like throwing your money away why not get that instead of an SUV.
Guess what the MOST dangerous vehicle on the road is? WRONG, it's not a smart car or a mini cooper, it's the Chevy Blazer 2dr(AKA The Death Trap).
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Well, if everyone else drove the new 2009 Smart Car Hybrid, then there'd be so much excess gasoline, that they'd have to reduce the price to $1.00 a gallon because of weak demand. The scary thing is that with all those 18 wheelers and busses on the road, the Smart Car Hybrid just doesn't seem safe enough unless EVERYONE else drove one of these 75mpg micro hybrids. That's why I'd probably get a Camry Hybrid for my next car because it's far safer than any big suv, but it gets 40 MPG in the city. The thing that makes bigger cars and SUVs less safe is that they're VERY BAD at accident avoidance.
By your reasoning, a motorcycle is safer than any car. They are much more maneuverable, and can stop much more quickly. Most of us, however, rely more on our brains so that we don't have to rely so heavily on our reflexes. Or the agility of our vehicles. Obviously, you don't.
Dave
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Hairy wrote:

That's incorrect on two counts, IMHO:
1) Even if automobiles were the only use of crude oil, crude oil costs more than $42 a barrel to get of out the ground, refine, and deliver to gas stations.
2) In the US, crude oil products are used for lubricants, heating, generating electricity, moving cargo (18 wheelers, trains) and other things. The US is only about 10% of the world oil market. So, even if all cars were suddenly hybrids (or plug-in hybrids) in the US, the overall (i.e., world) demand for crude oil would not go down much.

The same can be said for bigger cars (like Toyota Echos, Ford Kas and Escorts) as well as small 2-seaters, like little Triumph TRx's.
However, even in countries, like those of Europe, where they have both buses and trucks and the small cars, I don't hear much about lots of deaths in the cars.

What reasoning? It helps if you quote part of the old article when replying to it.

Considering the stupid decisions people make, like having kids when they are 14 and smoking, it is clear that brains are not great at making decisions.

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Brains are good at making decisions but the problem is that people aren't using them. Temptation and fun seem to overshadow using brains and/or good judgment. I speak from experience having raised teenagers recently and seeing their friends.
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I couldn't find anything about a Smart Car "Hybrid" that gets 75 mpg. There's a rumored all-electric version that gets whatever mpg it took to produce the juice to recharge it (10 hours for 120 mile range with a 3000W charger).
There's a conventional hybrid that gets around 55 mpg: http://www.treehugger.com/files/2005/12/smart_crosstown.php
Note in the article there are other concepts, including a hybrid diesel that supposedly gets 81 mpg. None of the above is for sale yet.
The currently available gas engine Smart Car gets around 40 mpg. I was parked next to one at a local car show a few weeks back (the owner claimed it was the first one sold in the state of Indiana and we talked for quite a while) and that's what he says he's getting in real-world combined city/highway driving.
http://www.greencar.com/features/smart-car /
AJM '93 40th Anniversary coupe, 6 sp (observed 16 city, 27 highway, occasional spirited driving)
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(Do you need a hybrid to get mega-mileage? Well, maybe not. Mercedes-Benz says that its new smart fortwo cdi - an 1800 pound, 106 inch long car with a top speed of 85 mph - gets nearly 80 mpg. For perspective, consider that driving this two-passenger car 10,000 miles annually requires only 16 fill-ups during the course of the year. Amazing. Plus, along the way the smart fortwo's 45-horsepower, three-cylinder diesel engine emits less carbon dioxide per mile than any current production car.)
around 80 MPG http://www.greencar.com/features/smart_fortwo /
In production 2 hour total charge 120 mile range... also gas over electric over 100 mpg... http://www.aptera.com /
I still like my Vette... Maybe I can make it run on water...LOL http://www.runyourcarwithwater.com/?hop=watertt
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