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Which Acura is based on the Accord? I don't follow Acura, but saw one that looked great the other day...but was obviously a gussied up Accord. Which
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Unless he was just *visiting* the US, in which case it is the TSX.
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The RL and the TL are both Accord-based. I believe the Pilot and MDX are similarly Accord-based.
The RSX/TSX are Civic-based, as is the CR-V.
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No. The US Honda Accord is not the Honda Accord that the rest of the world knows. *That* Honda Accord is not sold in the US, it only appears in the US with an Acura badge, as the TSX.
The RSX is a 'gussied up' Civic. The TSX is a 'gussied up' Japanese/European Accord, not a Civic.
The US Accord is a Japanese Honda Ballade, I think. It used to be a few years ago for sure but it may be some different platform now. But for *sure* it's not the current Japanese/Euro Accord platform.
Years ago, when the *real* Accord was considered to be too small to compete in the same size class with the Camry and other similar cars, the Ballade became the Accord in the US.
I bought a new TSX in late 2003 and kept it for about a year. It was a very nice car but just not my cup of tea for reasons that had nothing to do with any faults with the car.
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On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 18:22:48 -0500, Dean Dark

Bad form to follow up on one's own post, I know, but whatever platform I'm thinking of past or present for the US Accord, it's not the Ballade. I'm sure someone else out there can help my addled pate on this one...
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The TSX and RSX are built on the Civic platform.
Perhaps I should clarify my nomenclature: I don't know Honda's internal designation for its platforms, so I'm referring to them by the names of the vehicles that define them.
If your rest-of-the-world Accord is based on the Civic platform, I'd be very surprised. I find no evidence of that in my searches.

It is the 4-door version of the RSX. Variants might be sold as an Accord in some markets, but it's still the same Civic platform.

Honda has only a few platforms that they build everything from. I'd say just two platforms (Civic/Accord), but the Ridgeline and NSX might be unique.

The Ballade is/was Civic based. It has never been based on the larger of Honda's two car chassis.
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It's not. If you look up the European Accord, you'll see that it's smaller and quite different from the US Accord. It's what the US Acura TSX is based on, they didn't even change the styling that much. The RSX/Civic is a different platform/beast, just look at the TSX vs. Civic/RSX front suspension for example - struts vs. four link.

A quick bit of googling brings me part of the answer. In recent years, Honda has found ways to make the Accord platform remarkably versatile and adaptable in size and configuration:
http://www.businessweek.com/1997/36/b3543001.htm
The Japanese/European Accord, and US TSX, is built on the smaller non-US Accord platform variant, not the US Accord or Civic ones.
As I said when I corrected my original post, the Ballade was a red herring due to me being a forgetful old fart. At least I haven't forgotten that I have an NSX in the garage. I can assure you that it shares little, if anything, with other Honda platforms, including whatever it is that the S2000 is built on.
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Dean is correct, start thinking outside Honda US. Here in Australia, the Honda Accord Euro, which is built in Japan, has the same shape as the Acura TSX. The Honda Accord here (which is made in Thailand) has the "rounded" features of the US Honda Accord with either the VTi 2.4 litre 118 kW engine or the 3 litre V6 177kW. This concept is similar to Honda UK, where there's the Honda Accord Saloon (TSX).
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Your link is irrelevant and says absolutely nothing to refute my assertion that the RSX and TSX are Civic-based. Not only that, it was written before the TSX ever even came to market.
However, I discover now that you are in fact correct. The links below better describe the relationship between the TSX, the RSX and the Civic and Accord platforms: http://www.tsxclub.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid !4 http://www.latc.com/2004/07/07/special_sect/special_sect4.print.html
You learn something new every day. The RSX and the TSX *are* different cars, sharing only similar nomenclature. The RSX is Civic-based, and the TSX is Accord-based.

All Accords worldwide are based on the same platform. Even your own Business Week article says that.
To finally answer the OP's original question, Acuras built on variants of the Accord platform: TSX TL RL MDX

That tells you little. It could still be based on the Accord platform.
Do you think it possible that with Honda's careful attention to economy in platforms that they would then throw it all away on unique frames for cars with tiny sales volume? I wonder...
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The OP did not say that. He said: "Which Acura is based on the Accord? I don't follow Acura, but saw one that looked great the other day...but was obviously a gussied up Accord. Which was it?"
And I answered that question earlier today: All of them except the RSX.
Now if he wants to know which use a European variant of the Accord chassis and which use the stretched American variant, somebody else will have to fill in those details. Dean Dark has already stated (correctly) that the TSX uses the smaller-sized overseas Accord chassis. My suspicion is that the other Acuras use the American one.

Please turn off HTML posting. It's poor etiquette.
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However irrelevant the link is, the fact remains that the RSX/Civic is built on a different platform to the TSX.
It's one of those things that I just *knew* to be a fact but had never been asked to back up with evidence.
A somewhat parochial view of the US car market alone is dangerous in that it can blind one to the fact that Honda has been selling something called an Accord for many years outside the US, and that product bears very little resemblance to the Accord they offer in the US.
Now I think about it - and remember more clearly - they were selling Honda Ballades in England in the late 70s and early 80s. They were badged as Triumph Acclaims. Go figure.

Fine. I'm not looking for a fight over this. I do think that the Business Week article is interesting though, in that it gives insight into Honda's past manufacturing and marketing direction. As old as it is, that's why I gave it. In other words, it's history, not just a link from some unknown yahoo with no credentials who happens to agree with me.
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You have some work to do to persuade me that the S2000 has any significant basis in the Accord platform. And I *know* you're not serious about the NSX in that regard.
As ever, I'm receptive to reasoned argument...
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I was referring to the NSX, not the S2000, if you read the construction of your paragraph above more carefully. The S2000 might be Civic-based.

It's not as ridiculous as it may seem at first blush.
GM made the Fiero by splicing together front halves of the Citation (or Cavalier?) and the Chevette. Toyota made the MR2 by putting together halves of two different Corolla platforms. Who knows how Honda did the NSX?

As am I, of course.
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Fact is though, that the NSX most likely came out of the mid-80s collaboration between Honda and Ferrari. I've seen pictures of the one or more pure prototypes that the collaboration produced, and one of them bears an *uncanny* resemblance both visually and mechanically to the production NSX.
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Well OK, but where did the chassis come from? Nobody has any definitive answer on that question.
My suspicion is that Honda used a modification of at least one existing Honda chassis to make the NSX.
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My best guess is that they cribbed it from the mid 80s Alcan-Ferrari experimentation with all-aluminum construction that spawned the Ferrari 408, which thankfully never got past the prototype stage:
http://www.conceptcars.it/italia/408integrale.htm
The 408 was all-wheel drive, I'll grant you, but I always thought that the chassis layout & design and even the somewhat wacky body styling were way too close to being an NSX prototype for it to be entirely coincidental.

I wouldn't have thought it would make any sense to recast an existing steel chassis in aluminum. You can't use steel and aluminum the same way. Maybe they did just that? Who knows?
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Not as pretty as the NSX...

I find many mid-engine "supercar" designs look similar.

I didn't know the NSX had an aluminum chassis. From what I understand, a switch from steel to aluminum would not be practical. You're better off to design in aluminum from scratch. Sounds like Honda really did make a unique platform for the NSX.
Interesting thread here: http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread.php?p 844
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The resemblance to the 408 is not just superficial, it's more in the design and construction methods of the chassis or "platform," including the construction materials. It's all speculation, of course.

NSX Prime is a great site for the FAQs and technical data, but there's way too much 'K3WL' and 'Awesome!' in the forums for my taste...
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