1.8T Oil issue -- cost

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I'm posting to both groups because I own two cars: a 2000 Audi A4 1.8T Avant and a 2003 VW Passat 1.8T. I haven't seen much discussion on the *cost* of the synthic oil issue.
I got both notices regarding the synthetic engine oil issue (one for each auto) on the same day. However, it wasn't until my VW dealer did the change over on the Passat that I began to realize the cost issues. The oil changes using synthetic are going to be at least twice as much as for a regular oil change. So, the oil maintenance costs have effictively DOUBLED for the life of each vehicle.
Needless to say, I'm a little ticked. But, I'm not too car savvy (I'm now seeing the error in having two vehicles with the same engine). Is this just a problem I'm going to have to such up? If it's their mistake, why do I have to undertake the additional costs?
Can anyone enlighten me? Or offer suggestions or remedies??
Thanks for any help, Libby
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Libby wrote:

Why does the fact that the problem is being addressed *now* mean that you shouldn't pay for it? Suppose the current oil requirements had been in place when you bought the car. Would you have expected not to pay for your oil changes then?
-- Mike Smith
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Mike Smith wrote:

Is this a new notice that VW recently issued?? Our New Beetle is a 1.8T and I haven't gotten a notice from VW regarding synthetic oil...granted, I've used Mobil 1 since the 8K service...but I'm just being nosy.
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To meet warranty requirements, a qualified synthetic must be used and changed every at least every 5k miles or 6 mos. The notice states that failing to do so voids the engine warranty.
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Hi,
Libby wrote:

The car was delivered to you by the dealer I presume. Not by the manufacturer. So you have a case with the dealer in the first place, no?

Ok. Your maintenance cost increased.

Do you have Audi warranty or a third party warranty? 5k miles and 6 mos does not at all sound like VW/Audi's service plan. There have been numerous threads in the recent past asking the famous oil question and if it would be ok to go as far as 30.000 km between oil changes. That is what VW/Audi recommends in many cars now.
Who issued these notices? VW, Audi or the dealer?
Did you ask Audi or VW about their opinion? You could just sell the car if it's too expensive for you now.
Regards
Wolfgang
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1999 Audi A6 Avant TDI

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The letter I got for my Passat 1.8T specifies 5k/6mos.

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TF wrote:

Yes, but who sent it?
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Wolfgang
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Strange, I just saw a bottle of Valvoline Synpower 5W-40 with the VW 502.00 rating for US$4.59 per quart. Next to it were bottles of Mobil 1 0W-40 with the VW 502.00 rating for US$4.99 per quart. And some web stores (and VW dealers) sell Castrol Syntec 5W-40 with the VW 502.00 rating (that VW dealers are supposed to use) for a lot less than US$12.75 per quart.
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Libby wrote:

Well, from what I understand, the 505.01 is only applicable to the TDI-PD, and NOT the other gasoline engines. I have the notice from VW infront of me as I type this, and it only says that the 505.01 is required for the TDI-PD.
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Libby wrote:

Did you seriously know that? Did you ask the dealer what kind of oil was required? If you did know then that synth was required (as if I'd ever put anything other than synth in a new car anyway), would you have walked away?
-- Mike Smith
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Mobil 1 0W-40 is on the list along with many other oils in the $4 quart range. http://www.audiusa.com/common/images/Audi_Approved_Oil_Chart.pdf Notice this chart is made specifically for 1.8T engines.

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I saw this in another forum, and I found it useful in deciphering all the oil gibberish:
Volkswagen Group Oil Specifications and their Applications
VW 500.00 This is an old oil specification and is applicable to engines built before model year 2000 (up to August 1999) Viscosity ratings: SAE 5w-40, 10w-40 or 20w-40 This oil can be used in all petrol and some diesel engines, apart from those referred to under other specifications.
VW 501.01 This is another old oil specification with exactly the same application as VW 500.00. Viscosity ratings: SAE 10w-40, 15w-40 or 20w-40
VW 502.00 This oil can only be used in petrol engines and is recommended for those which are subject to arduous conditions. It must not be used for any engines with variable service intervals or any which are referred to under other specifications. Viscosity ratings: SAE 0w-40, 5w-40 or 10w-40
VW 503.00 This is a relatively new oil specification for petrol engines with variable service intervals. It includes the AUDI S4, but not the RS4, or the TT and S3 with outputs of more than 180bhp. Viscosity rating: SAE 0w-30
VW 503.01 A new oil specification specifically for the RS4, and the TT and S3 with outputs of more than 180bhp, Passat W8 and Phaeton W12. Viscosity rating: 0w-30
VW 505.00 For all diesel engines prior to model year 2000 (August 1999) Viscosity rating: 0w-40, 5w-40 or 10w-40
VW 505.01 For all diesel engines with unit injectors (Pumpe-Duse or PD) without variable service intervals. Viscosity rating: SAE 5w-40
VW 506.00 For all diesel engines except those with unit injectors, with variable service intervals. Viscosity rating: SAE 0w-30
VW 506.01 For all diesel engines, including those with unit injectors, with variable service intervals. Viscosity rating: SAE 0w-30
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Interestingly, this is the oil specified for the RS6 - definitely not a diesel engine!
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It's my understanding that synthetic oil doesn't need to be changed as often. When did the dealer tell you to come back for the next oil change?

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I have used synthetic oil in my cars since about 1985 or so. Having a turbo means no additional oil expense to me. I have to do 3.5 oil changes in the car and 1 oil change on the truck every year. I just consider it a cost of driving. A lot of cars come from the factory with synthetic oil so you know right off the bat the oil might be more. It appears that VW has discovered that some folks have problems with regular oil. The solution is syntheic oil which will probably reduce the likelyhood of a few thousand dollars in engine repairs. I guess some would consider that $17 additional synthetic oil per change over 300,000 miles is an additional $1,000 which is cheaper than a turbo or other parts that might suffer from regular oil.
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Lol :), you driving a mclaren F1?
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Let's see at our shop the 1.8t oil change with regular oil is $35 and with VW's synthetic it's $50. The VW oil has a list price of $5 per quart so your dealer shouldn't be charging any more than that, if they are bring your own oil in or shop elsewhere. I bet most of us waste more money on beer each year.

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wrote:

lol more like each month - if not each week ;-)
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Didn't the owner's manual originally specify 5W-40 oil, which only comes in synthetic in the US? If so, shouldn't oil changes have been done with 5W-40 synthetic before? Granted, non-VW 502.00 rated Shell Rotella T Synthetic 5W-40 at Wal Mart may be about $7 cheaper for an oil change worth of oil than a VW 502.00 rated 5W-40, but that isn't a doubling of cost.
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