1.8T Oil issue -- cost

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We have a 2000 NB Turbo and have received no such notice. Can anyone elaborate on this?
On 6 Sep 2004 19:44:16 -0700, snipped-for-privacy@yahoo.com (Libby) wrote:
||I'm posting to both groups because I own two cars: a 2000 Audi A4 1.8T ||Avant and a 2003 VW Passat 1.8T. I haven't seen much discussion on the ||*cost* of the synthic oil issue. || ||I got both notices regarding the synthetic engine oil issue (one for ||each auto) on the same day. However, it wasn't until my VW dealer did ||the change over on the Passat that I began to realize the cost issues. ||The oil changes using synthetic are going to be at least twice as much ||as for a regular oil change. So, the oil maintenance costs have ||effictively DOUBLED for the life of each vehicle. || ||Needless to say, I'm a little ticked. But, I'm not too car savvy (I'm ||now seeing the error in having two vehicles with the same engine). Is ||this just a problem I'm going to have to such up? If it's their ||mistake, why do I have to undertake the additional costs? || ||Can anyone enlighten me? Or offer suggestions or remedies?? || ||Thanks for any help, ||Libby
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The 1.8T in Passats have a factory oil capacity of 3.9 quarts - all other 1.8Ts have a capacity of 4.8 quarts - that amount is enough to assist with lubrication and heat dissipation. It's VERY rare to see a non-Passat 1.8 with "turbo turds" lining the oil pan.
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First, if you post the text of this notice from VW, that may be helpful, but I do believe that much of the following information should still apply
Consider why synthetic oil is being recommended. Turbo-charged engines are capable of producing much higher temperatures than naturally aspirated engines, but is your driving style also conducive to higher engine temperatures? If you are spending most of your time on the highway, it may not be so important to use synthetic oil year-round.
Ask your dealership which oil they usually use. I have had my own Audi dealer tell me that they use a regular motor oil for most oil changes, unless synthetic oil is requested by the owner. This was on a 2000 Audi S4, where the manual explicitly states that only synthetic oil should be used.
Does the use of synthetic oil also increase the interval between oil changes? Remember, oil technically only needs to be changed when it is dirty or begins to break down (loss of multi-viscosity property). This break-down results in "sludginess", and also causes gum and varnish to form (hence the darker color of "old" oil). Of course, color is not the best judge of when to change motor oil either. I have found that the best test is to place a single drop of the current oil on a flat paper towel or napkin, and see how the oil spreads. This will show the content of the oil (dirt) and color. Once you find a ballpark figure on how often you need to change your oil now, you can usually use that each time. Never hurts to check it, of course.
Hope this helps. Also hope that none of this is wrong information. If it is, please do correct it.
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snipped-for-privacy@yahoo.com (Libby) wrote:

So you've dropped more than 50 grand on two cars in three years and the problem is that the right oil costs significantly more? I must be missing something here ...
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You are. My frustration is having to undertake the expense of compensating for VW's manufacturing mistakes. The fact that I have money doesn't mean I'm going to just hand it out to companies.
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easy solution, sell your cars and go find something else to whine about, as long as its in another group. Anyone not gladly using sythetic oil in a decent performing engine when its recommended/required by the manufacturer is juat a fool.
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"Biz", I didn't see you posted as moderator of this group. Perhaps in your role, you could contact both dealerships -- Audi and VW -- who have been serving my vehicles since purchase. Both have been using regular oil.
[Note: any moderator, even self-appointed, who doesn't use spell check is *just* a fool]
Libby
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Libby wrote:

I didn't see him claim to be.
-- Mike Smith
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Note: I'm not a moderator (and wouldn't want to be)
A valid fact that should be pointed out is that the synthetics have a greater "cleaning" action than the dino oils and you "MAY" develop some minor seepage seal depending on the age of your engine and the amount to the varnish/wax/sludge buildup.
If you do change from dino to synthetic oil you should change filters early a couple times and watch for seepage. I would change filters (only) every 1000 miles x 2 or 3 then resume your regular schedule or perhaps extend the schedule somewhat. I have gone from every 3000 to every 5000 miles in my 2.7tQ which is still less than the Audi recommended 10,000 miles but then I run my cars until they can no longer be fixed.
If you do get seepage you can choose to live with it, switch to a higher weight oil (questionable with turbos) or revert to dino oil. There is no danger to revert and the seals will be "recoated" soon enough.
One final point.... If your warranty requires it you have to do it or risk a very expensive repair bill. I am not sure what they do for cars that have been maintained for several years on dino oil,per the manual, and then develop problems.

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On a side note, I just changed the oil on a 2001 Passat with the V6 engine. That oil filter states 2 years on it. Now if you could drive, here in the USA, for 2 years or 24K-30K miles that would save you quite a bit of $$$. I know I know different engines and different requirements. <g>
later, dave Reminder........ Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you are a mile away from them, and you have their shoes. Frieda Norris
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Libby, I think the thing to consider, is that using dino oil, isn't going to break your engines, esp. if you are always changing every 5000km. I understand where your frustation with VW is comming from, but I would suggest that this isn't some sort of manufacturing defect. It's just that VW has decided that synthetic is better in the long run. This is something that a lot of people have decided on thier own many years ago. Most of us woudn't put dino oil in our new cars. Your Audi must almost be out of warranty, when that happens you can put whatever oil you think would be best. Hell, you could even put whatever you want to in now, and just hope nothing goes wrong. Even if its unrelated, I would bet money they would blame it on the oil. (BTW, thats a gamble I shoudn't even joke about. Getting screwed on a warranty issue would be way more expensive, than the right oil) If you still have a lot of anger directed at VW and dont want to pay them for thier "mistake" then maybe you can take your cars to some minute lube place that "protects warranties" and pay them instead, then at least VW wont be collecting on the extra cost of synthetic.

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Thanks, Will, and the others in the group who have posted helpful answers in this thread. I've gotten a lot of good information and can now enter my discussion with the dealership service reps a little more educated.
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Libby wrote:

Good Luck dealing with the service reps. We have had nothing but trouble when there has been an issue with our New Beetle....Go in and stand firm on your position!
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Mistakes, what mistakes? All 1.8t turbo's in Germany had synthetic and required to have synthetic for all services done. I think VW only recommended dino oil for fear American Passsat owners would cry at the added cost($20) of getting the oil changed. But then again how many Passat 1.8t owners would put anything else but dino oil. Personally I run synthetic oil in all my cars(99 V6 Passat & daughters 99 1.8t Passat) , trucks(88 S10 Blazer), wife's car(99 Malibu) too. Even my Sears 24hp tractor runs synthetic! You just can beet the benefits of synthetic.

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And so here is your proof ...
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sd wrote:

LOL
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