AUDI and reliability

I am looking at an Audi A4, vs. a BMW 330i. Has Audi gotten any better in terms of reliability? Or are they still in the shop all the time?

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Yes, Audis are in the shop all the time! That's why you don't see them on the streets.
Ronald

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Bollocks...............
More bollocks..................
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Agreed.
I think that was irony!
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Yes, I thought it might be irony, but I was not quite sure. It is often hard to tell the difference in a written text, but I still strongly suspected irony. I was not sure enough to allow it to pass without any comment, though, so I chose to regard it as seriously meant, just in case. You just cannot be too careful these days, you know...............
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OK, so what does this mean? Good reliability or not? Have they fixed all their previous problems?
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What "previous problems"? Like the melting plastic water pump impellers that lead to very expensive head repairs? Ooops - sorry, that was BMW.
Ok, well, how about the rear suspension mounts ripping out thru metal fatigue (which makes one wonder just how precise said suspension could have been)? Oh - sorry, that was BMW again...
See, everyone can trot out their favorite horror stories on older model years, but it's all rather pointless wrt what's being sold today.
fwiw, I've had my S4 since new, almost 3.5 years now. The only "problem" I had was the cruise control stalk failed - twice - both under warranty. Otherwise, zero problems, the car is in show room condition, and most importantly to me, it is a joy to drive.
Still, none of that would shed much light wrt B6 models, eh?
/daytripper '00 s4 6spd
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Audi also suffered from the plastic water pump impeller problem on the very early 1.8 engines. I know from personal experience. However, thankfully all that happened (in my case) was that the engine got a little hotter than normal :-)
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5 years, 125,000 km: 1 emergency light relay, 4 bulbs, 1 throttle body unit, 2 rear Bose speakers, leaking valve lid gasket. Filters and inspections every 30,000 km. 90,000 tensioner belt and tensioners, oil and filter change every 7,500 km.
Rather happy except for the TB, which was a rip-off to replace, and the Bose speakers, which was "blood-sucking" to put it mildly.
My two cents,
JP
Seriously, are BMWs better or not? Let me know before I change into my new car soon.
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What problems!? You cannot fix non-existent problems, can you?? It is the right of everybody to publicly express the confusion in their minds, even you, you know.................. Audis and BMWs are in totally different leagues, right? It is just like comparing gold ( = Audis) to simple brass ( = BMWs)..................
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I think what Day' was trying to impart was "what problems? Sounds like an idiot trying to provoke a response". He put it a little more succinctly, however.
Me, OTOH, being a trusting individual, will answer "what problems?"
There was a bad batch of coilpacks back in (IIRC) 2001, dodgy DVs on TT225s in 2000, several people in Germany discovered that turning hard right on a motorway at 100mph+ in the dark and in bad weather can have undesirable consequences (i.e. it does what you tell it), and the Wankel engine never quite achieved the popularity that NSU hoped for.
OTOH, compared to (e.g.) Ford, that's not necessarily such a bad record. (In defence of Ford owners, I should also provide balance by saying that they now have a number of European-built cars under their belt that didn't need an immediate recall for brake problems, and very often start in bad weather. These days).
Your best bet might be a simple Google for recalls in the US (e.g. 73 for the BMW 330i, about a third for the A4). YYMV. My last car (a BMW 3-series) had the two most "interesting" recall that I can remember - ABS that released all four wheels under emergency braking, and a steering column that could become detached in normal driving after three years. Your Mileage will undoubtedly Vary ;o)
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Thanks, appreciate it.
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german cars. Up to now I was happy with all my BMWs and my Audi, even at high mileages. However maintenance cost is high, probably much higher than japanese cars.
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Amongst the several dozens of cars I've owned, I've had one BMW & one Audi
They represented both ends of the spectrum in terms of reliablity & cost.
The 1986 323i was the biggest money-pit I've ever owned and the 1993 80-TDI was the cheapest to run & most reliable car had so far.
I still own it and its now got 256000 miles and runs like a dream.
I'm selling it only because its old and I want a car with aircon etc
http://freespace.virgin.net/ian.jarvo/audi80tdi.htm

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seems like im just running it in.
In 4 yrs i have had 1 battery, 4 services a water pipe, 2 rear wheel bearings, and a set of brake pads.
And everything still works as brand new, the interior looks great, and it drives like a dream
1997 A4 Quattro
Does that seem like alot wrong with it.?
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Yes, they are all in the shop, all the time.
It is for precisely that reason that you should never buy one. I'll keep my two, but only because I am a professional mechanic, and have an unlimited supply of time and money.
I think you should really buy the BMW. They are so much more reliable. Oh, and Audis aren't very fun to drive. Slow, bad handling, terrible fuel mileage, and uncomfortable to ride in. Really, a completely miserable automotive experience.
Yes, the BMW is precisely the car you want. They are the ultimate driving machines, after all.
One last thing - everything you read in USENET is the gospel truth. -- Jonesy
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I've just spent a small fortune on a replacement gearbox, but generally happy with my lot, the real difference that I've found is with the dealer network. I'm 32, earn very good money and live in the UK, I have walked into BMW and Merc dealerships many times and walked out feeling like a piece of shit....
However, from the very first time I walked into my local Audi Dealer I felt like a million dollars, I've been treated well, I'm always offered a courtesy car when my car is serviced, when I left the car with them for the gearbox I was offered a courtesy taxi home and back to the dealer free of charge...
This means a lot to me, I like to wear jeans and tee shirts and refuse to dress up in a suit to take my car in for a service or even to go buy a new car. I can ask for any of the courtesy cars to play with when mines been serviced - Had an A2, various A3's and some different A4's.
That is the big difference for me, I wouldn't now buy a Merc of BMW due to the bad dealership vibes... try getting the sales manager to arrange a lease or finance with Merc or BMW and you will be waiting by the phone for ever... And as for quality of finish, everything is well screwed together, well designed and where you would expect it to be.
The ride is hard on mine with the sports suspension, thats a price i pay for been able to slingshot around roundabouts - A european thing I guess - Take on a windy mountain/hillside road and finish with a great big grin on my face.
Stuff the Bimmer, they look like the old Toyatas and Nissans now anyways !!!!
Haydn
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