yesterday I took my very reliable Audi 80 for some service at the Audi
dealer an did try the A5 and A7 five door cars.
Altough these cars look very nice and the interior trim is as good as
it gets with even an ergonomic control panel (at last), those two cars
are now plagued by body design errors which you do not find on the A4
and A6 cars.
They have increased the roof curve to make it look even sleeker and
this results in the problem that a tall man (like myself) cannot sit
on the back seats. Worst, the design have made the back door window
even more slanted towards the front making it very difficult to climb
in and out of the car.
I would strongly suggest to Audi that they do redesign their A5 and A7
roof line in order for tall adults to sit in the back.
Question of preference and as a client my choice is important.
I am considering the A6 but I find the hatchback more convenient.
I do prefer the A5 five door designs as long as they can fit adults in
all four main seats.
Remember the Saab 9000, much more practical then its sister car the
I may settle for the Citroen C5 next time.
Since you can get C5 I assume you are in the market where A6 is
offered in a hatch trim also.
I'd sooner buy a station wagon than a hatch. It seems to me neither
fish nor fowl.
M6 is one possible exception, but it's a car on stilts so it's not
really a hatch you see.
I have checked the Citroen C5 today and they have the same problem as
the A5 lowering roof
which prevents tall people to sit in the back.
Many other cars like the new Opel Insigna or even a long list of Asian
cars now have the same problems.
Why is it that those designers do not design cars with proper head
roofs and large back doors for easy access.
Even on my Audi 80, one person did hit her head going through the back
They were designed as coupes (even though the A7 is a four door). Look
at MB's E-class coupe and the CLS four-door coupe. They weren't
designed to carry people for back seat passengers on long trips. There
is no "design errors".
Thanks to SUVs, small cars need to be reinforced much higher up than
they used to. Compare the doors and roof of a 1980 car to a 2010 car.
Manufacturers are lowering the floor and roof to partially compensate
for the handling and gas milage losses caused by all that metal.
I will not see posts from Google or e-mails from Yahoo because I must
filter them as spam
And my 57 Buick can beat your 1980 whatchamacallit. Cars are safer
today than they were in 1980. The Audis in question were *designed* as
coupes. If you don't want a coupe, don't buy one. Simple, really.
I have to disagree there.
I am sorry to say that I do not necessarily consider these MB cars
very well designed.
I know a lot of coupes out there made to carry tall people in the
remember the Audi Coupe ?
It could fit two large adults in excellent seats at the back.
Peugeot has its 406 and 407 coupes able to carry people in the back,
otherwise, they should call these car 2+2.
Then, I like to buy five door versions of cars being more practical
and having a nice shape,
like the Citroen C5 for example. But they have to be able to fit four
That is why we have chocolate and vanilla. Simple. But, there is no
design flaws in the cars. They were *meant* to be that way and were
*not* designed to satisfy Citroen C5 afficionados. A coupe is a coupe.
A sedan is a sedan. PERIOD!
You may not consider MB coupes (2 and 4 door) very well designed, but
they have collected accolade after accolade throughout the years. The
MB CL is one of the most coveted cars in the world. The CLS is
absolutely beautiful. And, the E-Class coupe without the B pillar
makes it what used to be called a "two door hard top" back in the 50s
and 60s. The design is timeless. Who shives a git if the two folks in
the backseat don't have enough room?
Where I'm from MB rust through from road chemicals just about as the
trash that is abundant in that neck of woods. A friend got a 2001
entry level luxury
hatch from alfa romeo & co: spent $1000 in repairs in no time at all
and is cursing
his decision every time he spins his perf winter rubber on snow and
front wheel drivers are pure trash imho. If it was not for quattro i
a beemer any day over audi.
Yeah, you need to buy that french bucket of bolts to appreciate the
Assuming you have enough patience to disassemble half the car when you
need to change
headlight or taillight bulbs that contraption will rust through in 5
years and maybe by
then you'd take another look at the durable goods from germany.
Hmmmm. The MBs and Audis exported to the U.S. must be different. I
have owned Quattros since 1984 and have never had an issue with rust.
On the contrary, they outlast any of the American crap that is on the
road, and I lived all those years in New England where the roads are
treated with salt and other chems in the winter months. MB is the
same. Never heard of a rust problem.
Well, its local specifics I guess: the place I'm from used to have
inexpensive auto repair
hourly rates, consequently, all the totalled crap from western europe
over cause it was cheap. So those rusted E late model benzes i've seen
could've been in accidents
I haven't seen rusted late model audis but i might not have been
looking close enough.
My body shop guy tells me if it was in an accident audi or not - it
It could be also an issue of a demand: benzes and beemers command a
price in that secondary market while audi is not selling for insane
Hence the lesser pressure on importers to bring junk with rings on the
hood might be at play.
Anyhow, the import tariffs are about to change and germans would have
to sell their totalled
cars to japs and chinese for scrap prices I guess. Can't wait to see
german scrap yards baloon.
laurentien, firstname.lastname@example.org writes:
You can't please all the people all the time unfortunately.
You don't say what model 80 you have, but most of them have a major body
design error IMO. Speaking of experience with the B3, the storage area is
very impractical. It's impossible to get anything long (e.g bike) inside
- give me a hatch or estate anyday.
A 100 Avant in my case :-)
I know but now the trends is that most sedans are moving in the
direction of lacking headroom.
As said, I think now of buying the A6 Avant like my brother in law did
and he loves it since it is also quattro.
My Audi 80 is a saloon and its booth is much longer than my former BMW
Moreover, you can fold the rear seats if you need more space, very
convenient and rarely found at that segment.
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