I just "built" an IS-350 at their site. Additional "sport" brakes,
sway bar, shocks, etc, brought the total to $55K.
Leather? I agree that a car that costs that much should have leather
as a standard item, but nobody needs leather. They DO need an
automobile that stops from 60 mph in less than 120 feet, they DO need a
automobile that will pull more than 0.81g.
I just "built" the BMW335I at their site and added M sport package and
a whole bunch of other things and came up with a total of $54K.
BMW stock, out of the shute, doesn't need extra "sport" or
"performance" options to be safe at stopping and maneuvering. The
Lexus apparently does.
I am NOT a BMW fan. I have driven them, even ice raced a couple. I
briefly thought of buying an M5 when they were producing them. I fell
in love with the 6 series when it came back, but I believe Audi makes a
better car, and BMW makes a better car than Lexus. My pocketbook
*knows* it does. I have also driven the ISF and was unimpressed when
compared to my RS6 or an MB AMG C63. Do yourself a favor; drive an M3
and a C63, then drive the ISF. I wish you could drive an RS6, but
they only imported 800 of them in 2003. They are rare and hard to find.
Bottom line: The Germans have a history of building fine performance
centered automobiles (Audi, BMW, MB, Porsche). The Japanese with their
luxory portion of Toyota build a good car. Perhaps in 50 years they
too will have a reputation for being well built *and* give performance
I didn't say they were IMPOSSIBLE to find, I said they are rare and
hard to find. With only 800 of them imported 8 years ago, I should
imagine that there are considerably less than 800 now available. I
belong to an Audi club and mine is the only RS6 in the chapter. I have
the BBS LM 19 inch wheels on mine (18 inch factory for snows). For
that factory recall, I opted to take the money and put on Bilstein
shocks over - it increased the handling some and lowered a bit. Mine
is silver over black and didn't have a scratch on it until about a
month ago when I inadvertently hit the left rear fender with the handle
of a lawn mower.
The guy there was comparing stock cars.
Then, if you want to look for modified versions, you can compare your
Lexus with F-Sport with a BMW with Alpina and this would tell.
I have driven a 1986 BMW323 myself for many years and was really happy
with, even on the snowy road between Geneva and Crans-Montana where I
used to ski. Maybe, they were better in those days but I did test
drive a 2005 BMW323 and I felt back in a similar car, not in terms of
looks which had improved, but the engine and the drive did seem very
close to the old one.
I remember seeing the the lateral acceleration figures a couple of
years ago and I remember seeing the 0.91 one for BMW325 or so, may
Dave can tell us which BMW he is talking about. Maybe, we can find the
Audi A4, RS4 or S4 ones which would be very close to the Audi 80. My
Audi 80, provided that it is fitted with proper tyres can corner
incredibly well. I have raced a BMW series 3 on the motoway down to
Kyrenia from the mountain range, where curves were limited at 50 km/h
and I passed them at 80 freaking the hell out of my opponent, thanks
to the Pirellis in front.
Actually you don't need to go with Alpina. The BMW 325I I was
comparing the IS350 with offers some M options which would improve
handling. But even with the F-Sport equipment, I doubt the Lexus ould
equal the numbers the 335 obtain.
I said at the beginning that it was a BMW335I.
The Audi 80 was renamed the A4. Of course in S or RS livery the
performance was greatly improved. The RS6 is an A6 on steroids.
Model now replaced / updated to E92 LCI, thousands of changes (mostly
Had this one one of my E90s, could be over-ridden, but sorted under
Actually, 3.0 litre engines.
I don't like BMW or their cars very much, but no other manufacturer makes a
turbo diesel straight six engine. The V six diesels from MB and Audi are not
for me for a variety of reasons.
David (another one)
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