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no not at all, Ferrari, Viper, Corvette, NSX, E55, & M3 are all RWD so what high performance cars are moving to AWD?? and you're a bigger dummy than "day" if you think any AWD car can perform like a RWD. I now know what Steve got on his test in school.....saliva.

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Tha Ghee
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the Viper pulled more than 1.0g on the 600 ft skidpad

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Tha Ghee

on my legitimate points, you will lose.

I don't agree with this last part you've been incorrect a few times in your post.

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Tha Ghee

your not, I just think Jay J is a little off.

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Tha Ghee

(apparently someone still posted to this old thread). Lamborghini is with AWD.

- Yak

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Michael Burman

All of Audi's S and RS cars have always been AWD, the 911 Turbo moved to AWD when the 993 generation came out (even though all of Porsche's Turbos had been RWD previously, since the original 930), the C4S is obviously AWD as well. The Subaru WRX and WRX STi and Mitusbishi's Lancer Evolution are AWD, as was Mitsubishi's top of the line 3000GT and the former Eclipse GSX. Ford's had a hi-po Focus driving all four wheels, and then there's VW's R32. The Corvette and Viper are RWD for the same reason the Mustang is, they're trying to hold onto the muscle car era. Ferrari chooses RWD as does Acura for the NSX, but that's because those cars got their inspiration from the F1 efforts of their respective manufacturers. That's the same reason Porsche choose RWD for the GT2, GT3 and Carrera GT street cars, they're derived from racing cars that operate in classes where AWD isn't used. The E55 and M3 are kind of odd men out here, but it's obvious that both companies have recognised the benefits of AWD, or the 4Matic and Xi models from those companies never would have come to be.

Obviously not. The S4 was given higher marks for competence than the M3 in Car and Driver's comparo, same with the RS6 Vs. M5 and E55. If you prefer RWD that's fine, but denying that AWD has benefits over RWD is just as ignorant as denying that FWD has advantages over RWD.

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Steve Grauman

Cheaper to produce more cheaply? That's an interesting approach....

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Steve Grauman

lmao So I guess your answer is "Ooops"?

You are such a precious nitwit to have around. No matter that everyone here thinks you're a total luser, you keep coming back to get kicked around some more...

/daytripper '00 s4 6spd

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daytripper

more efficiently is what I meant.

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Tha Ghee

here thinks you're a total luser, you keep coming back to get kicked around some more...

and that would be better then yours of I can't erase my pen markings will this pose a problem?? by who an old inept man like you that's just says drivel all the time...ok. If you less than 60 and could see the screen with out a magnifying glass, I would be concerned but I'm not.

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Tha Ghee

Only one version of one model not both. There Hi-po model is what, RWD??

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Tha Ghee

Cheaper to produce more effciently? Come back and criticize me when you make sense. *plonk*

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Steve Grauman

your statement was that "ALL" hi-po cars are AWD and I was showing you that they're not, AWD cars are heavier and at the limits do not handle as well and are slower i.e., Skyline GTR. It has nothing to do with manuf. holding on to the past just that for true high performance the wheel in the back are the only ones that should provide motivation. Think for a second of the fastest cars in production how many are AWD, none. the 4mantic and xi are not on there top of the line model and for all but the Chevy Silverado SS, all the hi-po models are RWD. Audi doesn't make a RWD car so the only natural step was from them to offer a AWD performace car. The only reason the S4 won was becasuse the results were repeatable but a normal Joe not a race car driver, that's one of many benefits of AWD. If all top racing cars are RWD that must tell you something.

I never said that AWD doesn't have benefits over RWD I was just pointing out that all GREAT SPORTS CARS ARE RWD nothing else. what benefit does FWD have over RWD if you know how to drive it doesn't matter what whiles are motivating.

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Tha Ghee

No it was certainly not, you can google up the posting and see for yourself. Don't twist my words and take things I've said out of context simply to support your end of the argument. My comment was something to the effect of "more and more high performance cars show up with AWD every year". Go and pick up the April 2004 issue of Automobile, I got it in the mail yesterday. There's a cover article in this issue, and the cover ad says "All-wheel drive: why your next sports sedan needs it". I think there's some damn fine support for my argument here.

This is a blatant falsehodd, and I'm tempted to think that somewhere deep down, you know better. While the weight penalty that AWD cars have to suffer oftens slows them in 0-60 comparisons, they make up for it on the track and in general high performance driving. How else do you explain the S4 and RS6 having superior track dynamics to the M3, C36 AMG, Jag S Type R, M5, and E55? How do you go about trying to explain the fact that Audi dominated Touring class racing in the early and mid-1990s, prompting complaints that forced the regulations board to ban AWD from Touring. How about the fact that Randy Probst has won Speedvision's Touring car championship series at least twice in Quattro equipped Audis? BTW, BMWs with their "superior" RWD were there competeing also, sholdn't they have won?

You do realize the top of the line Skylines were AWD, right? I know the GT-R VSpec was, I'm not sure about the normal GT-R. I believe Nissan had an AWD version of the Primera also.

Actually, with the capability to run 0-60 in 3.8 seconds the 911 Turbo is one of the fastest *production* car on earth. And if you add the X50 performance package, that time drops to around 3.6 seconds.

BMW offers AWD on the 330, the top-spec version of the 3-series (M-variants excluded). And it's standard on the X5 4.4i. MB sells 4Matic on the C-class, E-class, and S-class. Last I checked, the S-class was MB's top of the line sedan. Audi only sells the A8 in Quattro trim, and it's optional on all their other non-S models.

What's natural about it? Audi could have easily either developed their own RWD car or setup a platform sharing deal with someone else. In fact, VW/Audi are in talks right now with Maserati, and if the deal goes through, the VW/Audi group will get use of the RWD Quattroporte platform. VW already has a concept, called the C1, based on the Quattroporte.

More falsehoods. Again, Audi owned rally in the late 1980s. They went on to own Touring for several years in the early and mid 1990s, and their presence has only dimished because of the complaints of companies like BMW. Randy Probst has beaten BMWs and various other RWD race cars at least 2 years now in AWD Audi race cars. And I'm quite positive Porsche and Audi would adopt AWD to their race efforts if regulations allowed it.

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Steve Grauman

As far as I can tell, and what several fansites and official site tell, all the models are AWD. Where did you come up with RWD ?

- Yak

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Michael Burman

And no real rally car is RWD, so there must be something to it. Idiot.

- Yak

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Michael Burman

talked about I've driven, outside the Lambo, Ferrari. If you new anything about

where not talking about slippery roads you said racing situations, just because you can't prove your point you can't change the rules. you and your boyfriend Steve are the funny ones you use the same few cars and rallying nothing else please come up with a better argument so you can keep my interest. eww that A3 is so much better than a Spectra.

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Tha Ghee

I'm sorry I don't have the talent like you do to make money with your mouth I wish I could but I don't. and nothing was BS prove me wrong. None of you three can or will so what's your point??

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Tha Ghee

lost cause and you fill your posts with lies and strawman arguments. Your words are meaningless, and forgettable. Goodbye dear troll, your ability to take up my

what are you talking about my name has always been the same or can you not read well??. you have yet to prove any evidence, I've asked you countless times to show something but alas you come back with the same drivel....Audi/Porsche & rallying blah blah, I've refuted you at every step and you've failed to acknowledge this all you can do is spout the same few lines. Please take some time do some reading and learn something else but what you've posted here. what racing classes the only thing you cited is rallying how big is that in the rest of the world?? uninformed child I've forgotten twice as much as you'll ever know anytime you wanna take an IQ test I'll eat you alive. I have a few drag passes and I've some SCCA so is that ok with you?? what lies have I ever posted you're the fool that said Europe was immense. I'm sorry your now a candidate for Swan but I'm far from a troll.

it's sad I've proven you wrong over and over again but all you can says is cry, cry cry, be gone troll this is said Steve but sense you can't come up with facts about the alleged superiority or AWD I would expect no less.

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Tha Ghee

compensation

why is that people that try to correct "Grammar" always mess it up. it's not advertising but just a mag about BMW driving, and it's better that any thing you or your but buddy have provided. who taught you how to type the cow in the kitchen?? who's talking about "tires"?? I'm not fighting a "cause" I'm showing you and Steve up. But to much grip is a bad thing for certain situations. Michelle you're stupid, weight has everything to do with racing the less weight you carry the less power you need. Please leave this up to Steve and me, you've just reduced yourself to room temp IQ man. stop while you're ahead or not.

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Tha Ghee

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