Can we pls keep on topic within a thread?
I'm up for reading about JP's EDL experiment and Suspension recalls but
dont want that intertwined with newsgroup etiquette.
Meanwhile trying to find out what's wrong with top-posting...
Personally I remove all reply references by default so that only my
message shows. I use Mozilla Thunderbird and set newsgroup to View
Threads With Unread Only. That way I guess 90+% of server space is not
duplication (if its stored that way...?), i can refer to the original
thread and can flick through the replies without searching top or bottom
or inbetween for the new bits.
That i find convenient, not sure if that's what some people are
referring to as lazy.
If missing out the reply references is difficult for the way others read
my posts I'll add them back in.
On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 12:29:02 +0100, charles blassberg
The troule with top-posting is that you read your message and then
what you are replying to. It is much easier on the reader to first
read the post your are replying to and then your added thoughts.
FWIW, it *is* considered poor netiquette to top post.
Generally speaking you read the message that's being responded to in
its original place in the thread, where it was originally posted to,
rather than in whatever the respondent chooses to quote of it.
In this case, when reading a thead, the quote you are presented with
is simply a quote of what you've only just read in the post above.
Most users wouldn't have to read this again and instead are faced with
having to scroll past it just to find the respondent's new comments.
Do this for a number of iterations and it soon gets irritating.
Times have changed, they really have. It's only considered poor
netiquette by those who don't like it. Everyone else just uses it and
gets on with it.
On Fri, 8 Apr 2005 14:34:20 +0000 (UTC), Andy Turner
Times have NOT changed. Noticed I clipped all of your message and
mine simply to reply to what is relevent. Go to other newsgroups and
you will find a majority of the people do NOT top post.
I agree with your estimation of quote after quote after quote. That
too is impolite. Simply quote what you wish to talk about. Very
simple. I bet you could do it without even trying. d;o)
Majority preference doesn't make minority preferences invalid or
incorrect - and it would be ludicrous to think that majority
preferences should be stamped out just because they are a minority.
Think about how that would translate to real life - it would seem
ridiculous would it not?
(a) What jursdiction do Microsoft have here? None.
(b) IIRC RFC1855 makes a pasing reference to posting styles and merely
makes a little suggestion rather than try and enforce any rules.
(c) And of course RFC1855 was written decades ago and merely
represents the opinions of those around at the time.
Has it been recently reviewed. Like on many roadways, if everybody is
speeding, and there was not some engineering study reviewing the speed
limit, the posted speed limit becomes unenforcable.
Current trends, set standards.
You're talking apples and oranges. Traffic engineering is a science.
Personal interaction is about as far from science as human endeavors
get. While you may wish to impose some newfangled etiquette on all
others, it won't work, because people are generally comfortable with
the old etiquette.
In addition, since top-posting is done purposefully only by a few in
comparison to those who don't know any better, it will always be in the
OK, so perhaps it's a few people's opinions collated! The point still
remains! I'd expect the page to be written by a single person anyway -
even if he quotes sources that have the same opinion (which of course,
he *would* do wouldn't he!).
The section that I thinking of hasn't changed in a long time AFAIK. I
honestly don't think anyone would bother to revise it, regardless of
the changes in usage we have seen over the years.
On 10 Apr 2005 19:14:20 -0700, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Hmm.. how rather ironic that someone got confused about who-said-what
in an interleaved posted thread....
We have no comprehension problems whatsoever since we can both deal
with more than one style of post without it baffling us. You on the
other hand have so much difficulty comprehending it that you whine
about it and try to stop people doing it.
Top-posting. It's not rocket science.
Even better, how about not starting a *whole new thread* on the issue!
Sheesh, TWO new threads (neither of which are on the subject of Audi
automobiles) for a meta-discussion.
What next - massive cross-posting? HTML? Binaries?
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