RE: 2004 Audi TT

The 225 S3 is already faster than the Golf R32. It goes without chipping that if the 225 TT comes with the DSG, it'll give the 3.2 a pretty nice kick in the ass, since the turbo won't stop spooling, which is why the 3.2 is only a tad slower now. Now, get an Öettinger turbo for the 225 and you're in the region of 300 horses. That is so very much faster than the 3.2!

The only thing the 3.2 will be good at is at being progressive and smooth, so maybe more pleasurable to drive if you're not interested in pure acceleration and speed. It's a pity Audi are getting rid of turbos. I mean the new S4 is no M3 beater and it's newer. Had it had a turbo, it would have been a completely different kettle of fish. Plus, with a turbo, petrol consumption is much more under your control. If you drive a 225 sparingly you'll get the kind of mileage a 3.2 can only dream of.

My two cents,

JP Roberts

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have a 225 TT . :) >> > > I love the TT 225. I've heard a rumour of one rolling around near me with APR's > 280Hp chip, an H&R suspension, and a host of other mods. But I have yet to see > it.
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When did a 225 S3 come out? Last I checked, the MKIV Golf based S3 made 210 Hp, and was not faster than an R32. The MKV based S3 is soupposed to use the new

3.2, with 280Hp.
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Ahem. Except against the clock.

A brief reminder of the televised test at Bedford - M3 half a car length in front in a straight-line run (quarter mile or to 100mph, I forget). S4 a second a lap faster (in the dry!).

H1K

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Was that really in the dry?

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The fact still remains that being the new S4 a good year and a half newer than the M3, they should have come up with something like 40 or 50 more Horses, at least in order to save face, since at Euro 60,000 they are no bargain. Just remember the RS6 is 100k and is a hell lot more of a car which can easily be tuned to the 500-region horseriding land.

In my modest opinion, they are going to sell very few of the new S4s and that's precisely because they offer little if no tunability at all.

My two cents,

JP Roberts

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Yes, really in the dry. And televised, and (apparently) watched by at least two posters in this group. Plus several million more Britons, I'd imagine.

Look out for the BBC programme "TopGear"

The theory goes that the M3 would be even slower in the wet, but it was only tested in the dry (unusual for the UK ;o)

H1K

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Hairy One Kenobi

I can't think of anything in the S4's price bracket that'd be faster than it on a wet track. The RS6 may be the only sedan on earth faster in wet weather.

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Steve Grauman

Maybe something much cheaper, as the Subaru Impreza or the Mitsu Evo, both of them with 300 HP now and considerably better acceleration in the low range of speeds?

I wouldn't like to be beaten by one of these after paying through the nose for a new S4.

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Far from the point I'm making, I'm saying they should have given it a power edge over its BMW competitor.

What I'm saying - if you can still read between the lines, which I doubt - is that the car is clearly overpriced considering you will be stuck at 344 HP with rather a lot of weight.

This is no idiotic suggestion at all, maybe it is by your standards, but here in Europe people who can afford 60,000 can also afford 100,000, but maybe you can elaborate on your point from an American perspective - I hear a lot of people go leasing in the US.

I do not know that I've been wrong about anything, but if you're planning to buy an S4, let me tell you something: A 225 HP S3 tuned to 300 HP - 450 Nm torque - will beat you every time, everywhere, and at a much cheaper price and petrol expenditure and maintenance.

JP Roberts

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Oops! We're missing like-for-like again!

If you want 4WD and low-speed acceleration, then none of the three will get remotely close to a sub-GBP20k Dax Rush.

Which proves exactly zilch, as it's a completely different car from the others. Now, let's see - a SCooby will set you back a snip under GBP30k, with the Prodrive pack. What you'll get is a 100% shiny plastic facia, the looks of a kitcar with a bad case of indegestion, and a superb car for tackling the twisty stuff.

If you're planning to drive any distance, OTOH, then it's probably best to hire either an M3 or an S4. Or a TT. Or just about anything else. If the driving experience is all that matters, 100% of the time, then, by all means, go for it.

Commuting from Reading into outer London in a Westfield is something that I'll never either forget or regret, but I'm not disappointed to be driving a TTR, even if it cost several multiples more to buy.

Ditto with a Scooby or Evo, I'm afraid. They're good translations of a Rally car onto the road, but, to be honest, I can't see them getting particularly close to a second-hand Ultima for the same sort of money. Looks, performance, or even fuel economy[1]

But (again!) they're different cars, intended for different purposes. Where's this going to lead to? Comparing a Smart with a Zonta? ;o)

H1K

[1] Just in case you don't believe me -
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185mph, 60in 3.8, and just five miles from where I live (it's the middle one of thethree). I prefer the Spyder, but it's a bit impractical (the new Can-Am hasa hood - this onew doesn't. Although I guess that 170mph top-down is quitesomething to be experienced ;o)
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Thanks for an excellent post, Aaron, but the object of tuning as far as I am concerned is to make a good value car - take an 1.8T for example - into a little beast eater. So, with Audi staying away from turbos except in the RS's we can only anticipate the decline of a reasonably-priced Audi empire.

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Of course, all the cars you mention do not offer the level of comfort or exclusivity of an S4, and there are none except for Evos and Imprezas where I drive, but the fact remains, your pride cannot remain unaltered if you're overtaken by a car that costs just half of what you are driving and you're driving a car with an S badge - for Sports, that's supposed to be.

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Last time I did the math, 344 > 333.

Then don't buy one. Seems some car rag liked it better than the M3, so at least your opinion counts for something. Or not.

If you have US$30k to spend on a car, that does not immediately suggest that you can afford US$50k. It's just a plain stupid assertion.

Insert $45k and $67k, if it is your wish.

Sure it will. Bench racing is fun.

Spider

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Maturity is a wonderful thing, and if you ever get there, you'll understand the answer to your question.

/daytripper '00 s4 6spd. It's just a car, son...

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If you get emotionally hurt by someone overtaking you, then I'd suggest a visit to a tuner, a performance driving instructor, or, in extreme cases, a shrink!

I see from your post that you haven't gone so far as to check any of the specifications for these cars..? While the picture here

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the the Alcantara and Stack instrument pod. Still,there's no accounting for taste ;o) The exclusivity comment is also a little strange - given that, combined, there are probally fewer Ultimas and Daxes in existance as roll-off the Scooby construction line in an hour..

.. or are you just sore that a GBP4500 car would likely leave yours for dead in a sprint to 60mph. And with a 30 year old engine. On carbs ;o)

I'm not - after all, I was the one that sold it, and later ended up with an Audi...

H1K

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Hairy One Kenobi

If you want to get into a price to performance equation, both of the cheap, ugly rally-mobiles get thrown out. There's always Caterham and Westfield cars, or the Atom. How about motorcycles? A Honda CBR1100XX or Ducati 996 will smash most anything on 4 wheels in a straight line, and be cheaper. I'm aware of how fast the STi and EVO are, but they'll never offer the combination of luxury, comfort, and performance that an S4 does, which is why you pay more for the Audi. And on a wet track, with good drivers, I'm betting the S4, with a 0-60 time of 5.2 seconds (on the sub-par stock tires) doesn't fall to far behind an EVO or STi.

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Steve Grauman

Sources I've heard/read from both Europe and North America indicate that this is the direction Audi is moving.

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I bet. And think about how muc torque that V10 will make to go along with

550Hp. The current RS6 does 0-60 in 4.3, these new ones will be powerful enough to keep pace with cars like the 911 Turbo. I'd like to see the standard S4 get 25Hp more to help even out it's accleration (hopefully down from 5.2 seconds to 60 to the 4.8-4.9 second area). Can't wait for the coupe' and RS versions.
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Or how much it might be sold at.

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Peter, which car was the 425-horse one you tried?

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