I'm having a hard time making up my mind. I love my '01 A4 1.8TQ very
much but my wife can't drive a manual transmission. Already tried
sending her to school and training her myself. I will have to go with
an automatic. Since I will be changing cars I am considering adding
some money and getting something else. After driving for the past
year in snow and rain with Quattro I know I want an AWD vehicle. The
A4's 1.8T engine has been fun, but I find myself wanting something
more powerful. I'm just not sure if it's a good idea to purchase an
'01 or '02 S4 when I can get an almost new '03 A4 with new body style
and warranty. I've wondered if a '03 A4 3.0 would provide the
increased power I am looking for. I asked this question in Audiworld
and some folks seemed to think that Quattro should not be the deciding
factor. Some suggested the Infinity G35 which does not have AWD. I
live in New York city and it snows enough for me to feel a need for
AWD. Maybe a good set of snow tires would be enough for a vehicle w/o
AWD, I don't know. Has anyone been in this situation? Any ideas?
I'll leave the discussion about engine type to others. Having the
1,8 TS (180hp) myself, there's not so much to say except that I
love that engine and it's almost enough for how I drive.
As far as fwd vs. quattro goes, I'll start trolling a bit by pointing out
in those regions known for lots of snow (e.g. Sweden, Norway, Finland)
there are *not* proportionately as many quattros as one might expect.
Cost is hardly a factor here either, since it's not so expensive to get
Two reasons could be 1) the high price of fuel and the 5-10% increase in
fuel consumption with quattro compared with fwd; 2) Nordic people tend
to be so good at getting cars into motion in winter conditions - without
traction control - that they don't need quattro.
That said, once you've used quattro, it's easy to be hooked. But I'd dare
there are *relatively* few situations where its absence would be
apart from its sheer entertainment value. But you know that already ;-)
IOW, if you can get a good deal on a fwd A4, don't pass it up just because
doesn't have quattro (just my 2 cents' worth).
<start soapbox mode>
As far as snow tyres go (and forget about all-seasons on a higher
car, summer or winter - they're garbage), they're a good cheap sensible
and offer lots of fun winter driving. Studless or studded will do, on
Driving in temperatures under about +3C / +38F causes summer tyres to lose
grip alarmingly, even if no snow. Using higher profile snows (e.g.
gives enough sidewall flex so you don't break grip so often and allows the
to reach pavement in slushy weather.
For a 2wd, get snows. For a quattro, get snows.
/Robert (01 A4 Av 1,8TS, no quattro, studless snows, in Sweden)
I am in the same situation, I have a 1997 A4 Quattro the 2.6 12v and am
thinking of changing, as I have a new Higher paid job. I am looking at
either an Audi S4 2001, seen a load for around £14k thats about $18k, or a
new A4, I have seen some amazing looking ones with full kit etc, but I think
the S4 will win the day, as the new A4's are a bit too rounded and dont
stand out unless you kit them up and put some big wheels on.
The only car IMO that comes close to the the older B5 S4 is the new S6, If I
could afford the payments on it then I would have one.
I wouldnt touch another car unless it was quattro, it's not for the snow as
it never frigging snows here in england, but for the rain, we get tons of
rain, and the roads get so slippery, this is where perm 4wd is at its best i
Go for the S4 its Damn fast, it looks the part and it has all the toys, I
will post pics when I get mine hopefully in a couple of months :)
I am after a Nogaro Blue one btw..
would be straight down the nissan dealer, its like OMG
What a great looking car, $31k is like £24k over here, that would get you
just a top spec 1.8T, Would like to see the Nissan IRL.
Very intelligent reply to the original poster. ASSUME he's from the
U.S. Then derive that all women living in the U.S. cannot drive a
manual trans car. Most women I know prefer manual gearboxes when not
driving in traffic. I LEARNED how to drive a manual trans from a woman.
Three of my six vehicles are manual trans.
Is there ANYTHING you DON'T do better than everyone else? Or is that
just a very large chip on your shoulder?
Yes, true, sadly, and you are right to be stunned.
Also true. I think the UK licensing system is far better. At least
in the US one must get a specific license to drive motorcycles. I
have both licenses, and my family cars have manual transmissions and
have been exclusively so for 15+ years.
Since 1978 my wife and I have driven various Audis (5000S, 4000CS, 90S) and VWs
Passat) that were all FWD, 5-speeds, except for the Passat. However, with my
wife's RSI problems we
decided that her next car would be an auto. We test drove a '02 A4 3.0 CVT and
it was great.
Problem: the stock was limited and the dealer wouldn't deal. We settled on a
'02 325I with auto.
The wife loves it and is very happy. Later, I purchased a 2003.5 G35 with sport
suspension and gave
the Passat to my son. The G35 is a tremendous car. There is no play in the
or brakes. Lots of power, and on a winding road the handling is almost
telepathic. You seemingly
turn your head toward the corner and the car follows. Great recover in the wet
Yeah, it will be a tough choice for you. Especially if you wait for the 2004 or
2005 models. I
understand that the S4 will have a lighter version of the 4.2V8 and the G35 may
be upgraded to 330HP.
FWD vs. AWD? I guess its is personal taste. Wev'e driven our cars to visit
friends in the Sierras
in the winter and have had no problems with the stock Michelin M+S tires.
Usually when we have had
to stop to put on chains, the CHP wanted everyone to have chains.
Good luck with your decision. Just think of the fun you will have testing all
of these cars.
Ned Hart wrote:
On 12 Aug 2003 08:32:27 -0700, email@example.com (Ned Hart) wrote:
I got my 2000 S4 in February, and I love it. In the US, we get that
nice Audi Assured warranty. Although it isn't as extensive as the new
car warranty, it should cover any fears about large repair bills (i.e.
if a turbo goes south on a non-chipped engine). Reasons to get the
1. A used S4 is about $27-30k USD, while a new A4 3.0 is easily over
$35k. I got mine loaded for $27.5k. Depending on what you put down
on the A4 and what other options it had, your payments may stay about
2. If you keep it stock, the S4 has more "go" than the A4 3.0. For
about $600, you can chip the S4 and slap the happy pants off of the A4
I sold my A4 1.8T when I got the S4. What an upgrade...=)
2000 S4 - Wheeeeeeeeeeeee
One thing to bear in mind is the area that you are going to have the most
interaction with day in and day out. The Interior. Running an auto-
body repair shop, I am in and out of all makes of cars on a daily basis.
Nissan interiors are among the worst made. The materials are cheap and
shoddy. I see 2 year old nissans coming in and the interiors look worn and
old. Audi is often acclaimed as having the best interiors arond.
As to the issue of tires, YES, tires make a huge difference. I drive an '01
S4, and with the 100+ inches of snow we got in upstate NY this past winter,
I can safely testify that the stock tires (in my cast bridgestone re040's)
are terrible in the snow. My wife's front drive volvo wagon was better in
the snow with her all season continentals than my quattro was. I just put
michelin pilot sport a/s's on my car and hope that it will be better in the
2001 Audi S4
2001 Volvo V4
1974 Jensen Healey
We in the U.S. have only one kind of license avaliable to us. It permits you to
drive cars or "light" trucks equipped with manual or automatic transmissions.
The test can be taken in a car with either type of transmission. Heavy trucks
and motorcycles require a different class of license. The *vast* majority of
cars here are automatics, especially in large cities such as Los Angeles, where
near-constant heavy traffic both on surface streets and highways makes some
people shy away from manual transmissions. I myself drive a stick, but I'm
somewhat of a rarity.
But that's only in the last 40, or so, years. My mum took her car test
in an auto (in 1959?), and obtained a full driving licence. Hehe, she
took her motorbike test on a 30cc moped (in around 1952) and obtained
an unrestricted bike licence!
Peter Bell - firstname.lastname@example.org
You are forgetting also the varying definitions of the word "test". It
varies from actually measuring whether you can drive a car properly (call me
old fashioned) to testing if you know whether to sit in the front or the
I had an '03 A4 3.0 Convertable with the chain drive automatic transmission
for a week while my '01 A6 2.7TQ was in the shop. The power is up to 225hp
and the car moves like a rocket sled.
The chain drive quattro should be available soon. That is how I would go.
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