The other day a painter's van struck my 99 M3 from behind while I was
sitting at a red signal.
The impact pushed my car a foot or so, but upon getting out to inspect,
saw no damage...and neither myself nor my passenger suffered any
We shook hands after he apologized and thought nothing of it.
Minutes later I started to notice the sound of a faulty spring or shock
coming from the right rear...especially on left turns over uneven
pavement or going over a speed hump.
Of course, I now have no recourse, since I don't know the other party's
A not too expensive lesson.....I hope. Will take it in to get checked.
Not long after I first purchased the car, I replaced the top bushings
on the rear shocks because of a "thump" experienced when going over
rough pavement, etc..
In fact, I think it was you that suggested that might be the cause...as
it was a common problem for the stiff M3 suspension on this particular
This sound however is nothing like a thump...rather a spring creaking.
But good advice....always exchange information just to CYA.
On 18 Jul 2006 15:04:00 -0700, "David Hageman"
In general, yes. But be aware of your liability.
My favo(u)rite recollection is a few years ago when a kid in a 3
series wasn't paying attention in traffic, and rear-ended an old 1970
wreck of a Chevy C10 pickup I was driving. My truck had a "custom"
welded 3 inch galvanized steel pipe rear bumper that, as it turns out,
was exactly the correct height to punch into the poor sod's 3 at the
centerline of the headlights.
We looked at the damage. It had smashed his lights and grille, and as
a bonus it had folded the leading edge of both fenders/wings sharply
Of course, you know that I'm going to tell you that the only damage to
me was a bent license plate.
He said to me something like, "you stopped very quickly." I told him
that we could call the police and exchange insurance if he liked. He
changed his mind and we didn't. Maybe I saved myself a possible
"whiplash" lawsuit? The point is, if you assume a little possible
damage on you side, you completely can avoid a raft of possibilities
further on. Sometimes it's just worth it to forget it.
The law here basically states that in a rear end collision, the
trailing car is damn near always at fault. As for the result of a rear
end collision with my beloved E30, someone is going to wish they never
That's an odd story from my perspective. The hitter is always at fault in a
rear end accident, the hittee is never at fault. The only exception to that
one is when the hittee swerves into a space he barely fits into, then slams
on the brakes and causes the accident with the car behind. Normally, the
hitter in this instance needs the good will of those in the cars around him
to support the claim.
i once knocked into a guy who had just left a junction in front of me,
because he stalled his engine. actually, that should read 'because i wasn't
expecting him to stall his engine ...' - anyways, the poor guy thought it
was his fault, as he had stalled ... until (ever the gentleman) i pointed
out to him that it was my responsibility to allow for the behaviour of the
driver in front in all circumstances. we exchanged details, and my
insurance co paid ... but i've often wondered what my insurance co would
have said if i'd told them he stalled. only academically, mind - there is
nothing more tedious than combative litigation, in my experience.
That is indeed a gentlemanly and fair thing to do... however, certainly
in the UK, you are told that you must NEVER admit liability, simply
exchange the required details and let the ins cos sort it out.
sure, but sometimes it's best to disregard the rules (so to speak).
the guy came round to my house to pick up some relevant details not long
after the incident, and remarked - somewhat bemused - that i was being
unusually chivalrous about the whole thing. (he was a prison officer, so i
guess he didn't see too much of the light side of the moon.)
i know what you're saying, i said to him; but in my experience, a good
night's sleep scores way better than a hundred quid on the insurance
life's too short to engage in unnecessary combat with strangers. or maybe,
too long; either applies.
This happened to a friend of mine except they hit the brake pedal
rather than the clutch (due to a un-diagnosed medical condition I might
add). The police arrived as the accident was holding up traffic. The
other driver (the one who rear-ended my friend) had said that "they
were expecting her to be out of the way by the time they made their
exit (from the roundabout) so they were actually accelerating at the
time" but then went on to complain to the police that my friend should
be cautioned for bad driving etc etc. The policeman quietly took her
(the other driver) aside and said "I think you should keep quiet
because you'll probably find that you'll be held responsible and we
might actually bring a care and attention case against you".
The insurance company wrote to my friend to say that they (her own
insurance) wanted to accept a 50-50 liability. Despite having legal
cover etc they weren't going to pursue a full claim against the other
driver. My friend and I then wrote back quoting references from the
highway code etc and in the end after about a year the insurance people
finally sorted it out.
This is where I add insurance companies to my "cowboy" list as they
were clearly more interested in simply closing the case rather than
His stalling is something you're supposed to anticipate, especially since in
theory, you aren't even moving at the time. I do not think yoiur insurance
carrier would have changed their position on paying the claim.
Same story, but this time the guy tried to blame the hittee. I don't
even think "the you stopped quickly argument" is an excuse especially
if you weren't moving at speed or nothing pulling out of a junction.
I recall during my driving tuition, my instructor explained that most
people at a junction/intersection only see the other car in front jerk
before taking their eyes of it to see if there is any on coming traffic
so they can join the traffic and that if they were looking at the guy
in front they wouldn't rearend them, which I'm almost sure is the case
A stalled car, a kid jumping in front of you, a fast oncoming vehicle
its all the same, thats the reason for the emergency stop manuever, and
if you hit that guy in front then you certainly were not paying
attention especially at that speed.
The hitter even tried to blame the hittee, claiming he stopped too
quickly, at which point he pointed out that he looked saw no oncoming
vehicle, started to move, looked again and saw an oncoming vehicle so
braked. Getting hit was actually driving without paying attention to
the traffic in front.
As for insurance details, get it even if its a scratch, the excitement
of an accident means you don't notice anything, in my friends case,
only upon opening the boot and looking inside did the damage become
apparent, at which point the boot wouldn't close.
If you feel the car was hit, then the car is alot worse than even you
think, get the insurance details.
The best example of this I read was a police report, where having pursued a
vehicle the driver decamped and absconded on foot. Did the police car run
into the back of the stolen car when it stopped very suddenly - well no the
escaping driver didn't engage the handbrake so the car rolled back up hill
into the police car...
Other examples include the train driver dazzled by the sun in his eyes as he
was making an evening run into Paddington, etc. etc.
That is sensible advice. Some years ago somebody drove gently into my rear.
We were in a slow-moving queue and the chap behind me had seen the car in
front of me move off but hadn't noticed I was still stationery...
A quick inspection showed nothing.
A few hundred yards later I thought I would have another look and, indeed,
found my rear bumper to be bent. As it happened I guessed which way the
other fellow had gone and, by an amazing miracle, caught up with him and
showed him the damage. We then exchanged details and the matter was sorted
out after we both got back from our respective holidays. (The collision had
taken place in a French dock after we had both driven off the ferry from
Britain and were queuing for passport control.)
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Been there years ago in an E36 coupe. They hit the exhaust pipe and
their insurance sprang for a whole new exhaust including cat!
I also needed a KDS alignment as they'd pushed the rear suspension out
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