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Is the warranty transferrable? And has the car got to be serviced by dealers?
The likelihood of many buying a new Hyundai and keeping it for 10 years is small, as is it being dealer serviced. So it's good publicity for a rare occurrence in practice.
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A new car does not *ever* need to to be serviced by the dealer except for warranty work, but, you must have proof of service by another mechanic according to the maintenance schedule. The requirement for all service to be at the dealer is an urban myth designed to generate revenue for dealers.
Home changing your oil will invalidate your warranty though.
-Russ.
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This is not true either. The burdon of proof is on the manufacturer to prove that the lack of, or improper, maintenance damaged the part/system in question. Changing your own oil (or anything else) does not void your warranty.
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Probably in a court if you had your reciepts and records they would take it, courts tend to side with the little guy if they can. But if you ended up going that far, you're going to be without a car for months while it drags out.
If you have a third party warranty like Lubrico it specifically states that home oil changes invalidate your warranty.
-Russ.
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Never heard of Lubrico, but it sure sounds like the want your oil change business... ;-)
-Fred W
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It's one of many third-party warranty companies -- you pay X per month and you get various levels of coverage. Used car dealers like to offer these warranties with used vehicles. They aren't in the oil change business, they don't care where you get it done, only that it has to be done by a professional. They give you little cards to have filled out by the garage and submitted every 3 months.
PITA in my opinion and unlikely to be a winning proposition, but lots of people buy them.
-Russ.
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The laugh is that for a private individual to be able to provide suitable receipts etc for the materials while not doing the change is unlikely.
Fast fit places in the UK let you watch while they change your oil and filter - as does my local independant specialist.
But my main dealer won't let you near the workshop - nor does it have a viewing room.
And a couple of services ago, I had an oil leak. Didn't know where from, but there was some on the road and on the undertray. So I checked the engine oil level which was near minimum, as I'd expect since it was almost due to be changed by the service indicator.
Had it serviced early by my main dealer, and the leak turned out to be from the steering reservoir.
On collecting the car, I discovered they hadn't cleaned the undertray. So I also checked the oil level. It was just over minimum *exactly* as before - but the service lights had been reset. And the filter housing didn't *look* like it had been touched.
The service manager said their bulk oil dispenser only delivers the correct amount of oil for each model, so it couldn't be under filled. So I invited him to check the dipstick. Doncha just love these people who think you can't use a dipstick?
They topped up the oil and steam cleaned the undertray while I waited. But I was now convinced they'd neither changed oil or filter, but merely reset the service indicator. Nor had they fixed the leak from the steering reservoir.
So I changed the oil and filter myself and fixed the leak having paid for it to be done and decided never to go near them again.
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The BMW dealer near my place has a viewing area, glass walls on the shop, and vairous cameras throughout which are connected to monitors scattered around the showroom.
They also have a 4 story tall glass-walled elevator containing a conveyer holding 8 cars, for a rather stunning visual display from the road.
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I think we should start specifying to which country we are referring to. Dave is in GB based on his email address. I don't know where you are. I can say that *in the USA*, cars do not need to be serviced by the dealer to maintain warranty, and home changing your oil does not invalidate your warranty either. In other countries, this might be different obviously.
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No, actually it won't, so long as you have evidential proof that the work was done and at what date / mileage. Also, any warranty claims not directly related to engine lubrication the oil change question would be moot...
-Fred W
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What is non-evidential proof?
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http://mattweiner.net/papers/dissertation/Chapter2.doc
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The beginning of the tract says it. It's not proof but testimony, which may be accepted/believed, or not. It does not say it is proof, as far as I can see.
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Right, it doesn't invalidate your entire warranty if you don't change your oil, just lubrication-related items. Similarly for other aspects of regular maintenance.
But what sort of proof can you give that you changed the oil yourself? Reciepts and a log book prove that you bought the supplies and wrote something down.
-Russ.
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That is exactly the sort of evidence that I was speaking of. If you have the receipts and have kept a log of your service that should suffice.
Contrast that with the "normal" evidence of service. A booklet with a bunch of service activities stamped in it. I would think that would be easy enough to forge too, given enough financial motivation.
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Years ago (early '80s) I was on jury service, and the first trial involved a couple of lads who were charged with stealing motorbikes. In the main, 'classic' British ones like Triumph, Norton and BSA. And breaking them (parting out) either to sell the bits, or make up hybrids for sale complete. So I perked up. ;-)
The defence council was very eloquent going on and on about poor police procedures. Contemporonious (sp?) notes? The prosecution council was weak - mainly trying to rubbish the defence. Although one of the police witnesses was ok, to me at least, but of course can only answer questions from either council. Which the prosecution didn't ask to my satisfaction.
One of the defence points was a large box of receipts that the defendants had provided - adding up to several thousands of pounds. They were saying that they'd bought all the stolen bikes found in their possession (some six lockup garages worth) in good faith.
I asked if we (the jury) could examine them. And they were all for the sort of bits you can't steal off the road - like oil, filters, plugs, points, gaskets, etc. Ie disposables. Not one for a bike, or spares from one.
The point of this?
Well, forging a service history of a DIY serviced car would be more trouble than simply doing that DIY servicing.
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And a receipt from an oil change place only proves that you paid someone to change the oil. An inescrupulous service guy might've just charged for the change but not changed the oil at all. This scenario is more likely than yours because a shop has a reason to cheat. A car owner has no logical reason to be buying the oil and supplies, not actually changing the oil, *and* falsifying his own log book.
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Marcio Watanabe wrote:

Even though I do agree, let me play the devil's advocate and present one possibility. I own a total of "X" cars. I buy lots of oil change supplies. If I was cheap (and foolish) I could buy 1/Xth of the supplies that I do now and have ample "proof" of service.
Of course I would not do any of this since none of my cars are ever under warranty. ;-)
-Fred W
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Only if they all recommended the same oil and used the same filter?

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That may depend on the legislation in different countries.
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