Americans don't like diesel . American's won't accept four-cylinders in a luxury
sedan. Americans are afraid of Jell-O. OK, that last one probably isn't true,
but the first two are accepted wisdom in the automotive world. But today, BMW
announced a new 320d 3-series sedan for the Frankfurt Motor Show that makes all
three of those ...
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On Aug 23, 11:12 pm, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Two problems with this statement. Its not that Americans don't like
diesel, but unlike you folks in Europe, America's infrastructure is
not designed for diesel fuel, i.e., not every gas station carries it.
Second, in America, gasoline is cheaper than diesel because Americans
do not pay anywhere near the taxes you do. Therefore, diesel cars and
trucks are slower sellers in America.
Yup. Since BMW markets its cars as *luxury,* its cars are loaded up to
maximize profit. Therefore, you won't get 4 cylinder engines, wind-up
windows or cloth seats. You also won't find BMW exporting its 1 Series
hatchback to America either :(
Is it really that uncommon? Don't large trucks use it?
Diesel is more expensive in the UK too - and has been for some time.
Thing is the difference in fuel consumption between diesel and petrol
engines has narrowed considerably as petrol engines become more efficient
and diesel more refined and powerful.
*Monday is an awful way to spend 1/7th of your life *
Dave Plowman email@example.com London SW
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 09:33:49 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
I don't know where "Fong" resides, but in New England, diesel is easily
available at most stations.
That makes little sense - gasoline is taxed by both state and federal entities
just as heavily as diesel, if not more so.
The issues with diesel in the US has been the sulfur content vs federal and
state EPA anti-pollution mandates. We just didn't have the refinery
capabilities to remove enough of the sulfur to meet the requirements, hence in
many states (particularly those who follow the California laws) it has been
illegal to sell new diesel-equipped passenger vehicles (although one could buy
diesel "pickup" trucks, even in those states). However, now that ultra-low
sulfur fuel has become widely available, these restrictions are being relaxed
or even rescinded.
Another issue with diesel was the lack of acceptance by the public to own what
was perceived as a noisy, smelly vehicle. Not to mention the disastrous
attempt by General Motors to produce a diesel-burning engine from a gasoline
engine. There are still plenty of people that remember that farce.
fwiw, historically, the price of gasoline was higher than that of diesel in
the USA. In the last few years, that relationship swung around in the other
direction. Ultra-low sulfur diesel fuel has additional refinery costs, and the
base stock is also used to produce heating oil (widely used in the
Although readily available, fewer than 1/2 the stations in the Seattle area
carry diesel. No Costco stations carry it, for instance, because it's not a
volume product (snicker). Arco doesn't carry it AFAIK. My guess is
that it's probably 1/4 or less carry diesel. Fortunately, Safeway carries
but only at 2/8 islands typically.
Large trucks usually use specialty fueling stations (truck stops) or private
fueling stations at the marshalling yards/warehouses.
In the Seattle area, diesel currently costs about the same as the mid-grade
fuel (95 octane to those of you in the UK/EU).
FYI, I'm interested in this as I just ordered a 335d; probably get here end
Until perhaps five years ago, diesel was substantially cheaper than gasoline.
However, with the most recent gas crisis, the diesel prices went up faster
and stayed that way. They seem stuck there right now.
I rather like diesels, and the fuel isn't THAT hard to find. Part of the
issue is also that during the gas crisis in the seventies, GM attempted to
make some diesel engines using existing gasoline block designs. They were
ghastly and unreliable and left a bad taste in the public's mind regarding
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
On Aug 24, 2:12 am, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
American's love diesel, look at the premiums that the big 3 were
getting for diesel engine options in their pick-ups.
The fuel monopoly does not like diesel because the fuel monopoly does
not like 50 mpg or better in a consumer vehicle.
How else do you explain the high diesel pump pricing combined with the
low cetane US diesel?
It defies open market theory as diesel should be cheaper because there
is more of it made and it is less epensive to make than gasoline
If BMW do have problems with a 4 it's because the market in the US for
BMW is generally composed of people who could care less about the cost
Most of the top 10% don't drive or if they drive BMW have their gas
paid for by their stock holders.
Re relative price of diesel, my understanding is that it is a smaller
fraction of petroleum than petrol.
Thus, as far as Europe is concerned anyway, which has seen massive rises in
diesel consumption relative to petrol, diesel could be seen as a (cheap)
byproduct of petrol production, since (that part of the) the fractionation
process was in essence paid for by petrol sales.
However, as diesel consumption rose to beyond the 'natural' petrol/diesel
fractionation ratio the fractionation process was run to produce more
diesel, so the marginal cost of diesel rose substantially.
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