Yes, no machine is perfect. In fact, nothing (except G-d) is perfect.
That being said, the following views are mine alone...
1. BMW is a nice car, but overpriced and expensive to maintain. Also,
undriveable in the winter without very good snow tires (except for the
AWD XI models). They are still rated an enthusiast's car, particularly
known for their exceptional handling. And yet most are sold with
automatic transmissions. because a lot of folks just want the cachet of
owning a bimmer.
2. Volvo used to be known as "the car for people who hate cars". That
is, folks who did not care that much about driving per se, but wanted
safety, reliability, and longevity. The 240 was a legend on all three
counts, but Ford has unraveled a lot of what Volvo stood for. EG, now
they do not do particularly well in crash tests, whereas they were once
the benchmark. Still good cars, but not what they used to be.
3. Saab has been eviscerated by GM. The only things left are the
signature grill and the key in the console. All of the great
individualistic design is gone, all of the quirky but loveable Saabisms
are history. A very sad story. Buy a Saab today and you are getting a
gussied-up Opel, or an overpriced Suburu. But, thanks to the
durability of Saabs, there are a lot of pre-GM examples still out there
that are real bargains. In its heyday (the 70's and early 80's), Saab
was every bit as good as BMW (but in a different way).
4. Mercedes-Benz is now a mediocrity, after its fusion with the
brain-dead Chrysler Corporation. They now make $100K cars that match
Yugo and Renault for reliability problems.
5. Jaguar is junk. It used to be the country club car for English
lords and ladies (and those aspiring to be such). It is now a marquee
of mediocre engineering hiding under nice leather and wood interiors.
6. American cars are pathetic. The country that invented automotive
mass production now can't seem to make cars that appeal to its home
market. Very depressing.
7.Asian cars will rule. So get used to their unique combination of
reliability, gee-whiz gimmickry, and anime styling. It's here for
On second thought, go out and get that bimmer!
Generally, no. BMW doesn't have a holdback, so there's no hidden profit for
the dealer. They occasionally offer an incentive to buy a model that is
being replaced ($4K on an E39 as it was being phased out for the E60).
Large dealerships in large markets can typically offer a better price break
than small ones. Best I've heard of was $1500 over invoice.
BMW's are tuned for 91 octane. You can run regular or mid grade then the
EMU will modify the engine's performance. You'll probably noticed poorer
gas mileage as well. If you're trying to pinch pennies in operating costs,
I'd recommend a Honda or Toyota. Any savings you realize in running cheaper
gas will be far outweighed by the preventive maintenance program when you
exceed you 50K/4 years of "free" maintenance.
OK, but paint tends to be somewhat brittle and chip prone. If you share the
road with lots of gravel trucks and folks that go offroad and then back on,
clear paint protection would be a wise investment.
No. Just negotiate the best deal you can. No specials, rebates or such
Some, not all. Mostly the higher performance models.
less than optimum. The ECU will retard the ignition if it senses and
Why not redlining? It's there for a reason you know...
Fine. Virginia weather is mild.
I do not personally consider BMWs as "luxury" cars, though I suppose the
7 series is and the later 5 series qualify. They are more like European
performance sedans (and coupes). That is why I buy them, for the
performance and driving experience, not for any "luxury" features, and
especially not for and "prestige factor". If you are looking for luxury
and prestige, and do not really care so much about the driving
experience then I would recommend the Infinity or Lexus.
In the UK at least, BMW supply some models with less than base model
specs - the "ES" (extra spartan?) I believe they take a base model
and take things off of it. These are certainly not luxury cars. These
days many manufacturers are providing equipment the same or better than
BMW provides. I think you have to be BMW die-hard to only consider
BMW these days. Dealers suck in general and paying a premium to get
crappy service leaves a bad taste in your mouth.
In the UK the 3-series outsells the Ford sector equivalent the Mondeo
so in a way the Ford is more exclusive.
I would have no problem however recommending a several year old 5 or 7
series as a "cheap" luxury car. You can get parts and servicing at
non-BMW locations and drive around in something that only cost you ford
I don't think 'luxury' necessarily means equipment levels otherwise the
very worst Asian maker could be considered a luxury car maker when
compared to a base BMW.
To me it's to do with the tactile feel of driving the vehicle. And this
doesn't change with a BMW regardless of the level of trim and toys.
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1. Something inessential but conducive to pleasure and comfort.
2. Something expensive or hard to obtain.
3. Sumptuous living or surroundings: lives in luxury.
Asian car makers have been making more luxurious small-midsize cars as
standard than BMW have for decades. However, people usually think of
large cars when it comes to luxury like the BMW 7 series, mercedes or
lexus limos and of course these all come with creature comforts.
to the likes of a BMW, or a Honda or Toyota, for refinement, ride
comfort, handling, quality feel of any part of the vehicle you care to
mention, seat comfort, handling, durability ...... yada... yada...
Asian cars OK if you want a cheap reliable run-about, which lots of
It depends. When Renault started to sell its romanian made Dacia
Logan in Germany (a small 4 door sedan based on the Renault Clio) for
only 7.500 Euros (which is some 30% less than the price of comparable
cars and half the price of a VW Golf in standard configuration),
people thought this would be a major threat for western car makers.
Now the distributor of Logan in germany reports a very low demand for
IMHO the low price of this 3rd world cars is caused by two things: 1.
lack of technological refinement and 2. low labor cost. The result is
a car which costs as much as a four year old used western car, but is
not better in any aspect than this car either. So why bother with a
shitty Dacia Logan, if you could have an used Golf for the same
money? Some buyers may like the prestige of buying a "new car", but
the prestige of a new Dacia is close to zero, because everybody knows
that it is the cheapest car around. Situation may be totally
different in eastern Europe. There a new Dacia probably is a Chick
Collector of some kind;-)
This yera the first Chinese made car hit the German market. It is
called "Landwind" and it is based on a late '80s Isuzu/Opel SUV
design. German automobile club ADAC performed a crash test with this
car and came to the conclusion: "the worst crash test result since
the beginning of our crash test activities." I do not have any
respect for chinese automobiles. If they want my respect, they need
to launch better cars than this POS.
I think it will be a long way until a chinese made car will be a real
competitor for a BMW. Honda and Lexus needed decades to come into
this position, and it required not only superb engineering but also
participation in Formula 1 racing etc. Let's wait and see.
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Because for most people the price of a new one of those (bigger BMWs, Mercs)
is a luxury. Or running costs.
Hence smaller BMWs, Mercs, Audis and not particularly 'luxurious' esp in
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I think the key is to drive one. IF you can't tell the difference
between a BMW and Audi/Mercedes/Acura/Lexus/Infiniti, then get yourself
one of those.
BMW use to require a very stringent maintenance program. (i.e., flush
brake fluid and coolant every 2 years; change differential and
transmission fluids every 30,000 miles). But with the advent of "free"
maintenance and "lifetime" fluids, those intervals have been greatly
extended. If you're the type that gets a new car every couple of
years/100,000 or less miles, then it doesn't matter. If you like to
keep your car for a long time, then it does make a difference.
Bottom line - drive one and see if you like it. If not, get something
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