As indicated EU manufacturers did produce a few dogs of their own, but
Porsche also made the excellent 928.
In any event if you unstick, you may be able to get it back in a front
engine / rear drive car (I have, but would recommend not having to do so),
whereas if the car is going backwards your chances of recovery are
Not driven that many US cars, as they are rare over here and almost
invariably LHD. Another factor is that expensive performance car owners are
not always that keen to let you have a go...
Mostly I have owned and driven (and liked) BMW's. I am very tall and don't
fit in a lot of sports cars.
Owned and liked
BMW 740i, 735i (4 off including two manuals)
Rover 35000 SD1 (2 off 1981-85)
Triumph 2.5TC (1979 - 81) now a classic
Driven and liked
BMW 728i (bit slow)
Porsche 928 (only practical for me without a sun roof)
Daimler Sovereign V8
Vauxhall Lotus Carlton
Vauxhall Senator 3.0i 24V (just makes it)
BMW 316i (slow)
Mercedes E Class (90's)
Vauxhall Carlton, Cavalier, Astra (late), Corsa
VW Golf GTi
Wolsey Six (owned 1978)
Citroen CX, BX
Jaguar XJ12 (too cramped)
Jaguar XJR (too cramped)
Merc A series (on test track)
Ford Capri, Cortina, Sierra, Escort
Renault 19, 30
Peugot 305, 205, 105
VW Golf, Polo
Various BL cars - worst was Marina
Land Rover Freelander
Vauxhall Astra (early), Nova
Buick Park Avenue
Pontiac Grand Am
Been in and suspect I would like
GM introduced what they called "Knee Action" for IFS in the 30s.
I believe that Chrysler moved to IFS in the 30s.
Ford introduced IFS with the 1949 model year cars.
Studebaker still had a car with the buggy spring design in the 50s.
On Mon, 6 Aug 2007 09:13:33 +0100, "R. Mark Clayton"
Immaterial. Nothing says sports cars are faster in a straight line
than GT cars -- in fact, it's likely to be the other way round.
In any event, my 1600 cc Ford will tear any 928 a new asshole on any
autocross course, or any very tight race track.
Now a 914/6, *there's* a sports car.
Apart from the Pontiac*.
I have driven [at least] one rear engined rear drive car - Hillman Imp -
which I forgot to put in the dislike list (several others no doubt).
I haven't driven the current BMW 6 series, although I have been in one and
read reviews enough to know that it is likely to be an excellent drive.
Conversely tales of wheel tuck under, steering column intrusion and carbon
monoxide leaks into the cabin would be enough to put me totally off the
Corvair, even if there were many survivors left to drive, especially in the
Few US cars are sold in the UK. Recent examples include the Chrysler Neon
(slated in the motoring press) and PT Cruiser, which when I rode in one was
Now how about a list of the top ten American [sports] cars?
OTOH a list of the top ten [sports] cars in America, probably would not
contain any home grown produce - now would it?
* despite a 3l injected engine the performance was anaemic, delivered
through a dire three speed auto box. The handling was poor, but the feel
was non existent so you had to open the windows and listen for tyre squeal
to know what was happening. A [large] 2 door coupe, space was wasted and
there was no room for rear seat passengers. Visibility was reduced by a
large rear pillar. This was a rated US car, goodness only knows what the
regular ones must be like! It certainly confirmed all the stereotypes about
how bad American cars are and why. True I had just got my first 735i at the
time, but really there was just no comparison, even contemporary Sierras and
Cavaliers were far far better.
The Grand Am hardly qualifies as a sports car or even sports sedan. A
sporting name (Pontiac was/is notorious for them) does not a sporting
vehicle make. PT Cruiser. A joke on both sides of the pond.
Actually, the Corvette ranks pretty high in most anybody's list. I agree
that my taste doesn't run much to the current trend in US vehicles. There
are few cars ANYWHERE I'd trade for my E39.
Are you sure you're not confusing the Grand Am with the Trans Am? Quite a
different beast, albeit still rather wasteful of space. Pretty decent
performance with 350HP and approx 165MPH top end. Handling fair to
On topic, British cars haven't fared all that well in recent years either.
While Jaguar is resurgent with (finally) reliable machinery, it generally
falls short in comparison to its immediate competition. Similarly the (drop
dead gorgeous) Astons come in near last place in their exclusive range.
Even the Roller is getting to be a characterture of itself vice a world
class luxury hauler. Breath of fresh air goes to Bentley. They seem to
have captured the essence of the original marque in 21st century form.
R / John
Cars with British design and heritage, German engineering and assembled by
Mexicans from imported parts hardly qualify as US made, although they are
partly American in a geographic sense ;-)
Take the Manhattan Project - apart from General Groves, how many of the top
people on the project were US citizens ten years before it started?
I know but can't be bothered just now. You know what its like - back off
vacation and another 4 weeks of doing nothing - brain rot seep in and before you
know it its Christmas again......................
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