Found in barn, complete

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I've restored many cars- DoucheBob has no clue what he's in for- he never even pulled an engine out in his life.

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ps- ask him for pictures- and you'll get a big eye opener...

The real question is, how come you never mentioned the Hemi motor in your original description ? All you mentioned is "the original 270"

There were many different 270's- and they were all prone to crankshaft breakage- so we don't know if that's the original engine or not, because you didn't run the VIN code or engine ID code.

What he may have there is a hodge-podge of parts, i.e. a 4-barrel carb and intake on a Poly engine, etc.

One starts to doubt if your description is true or not.

A picture of the engine would suffice.

If that has a 270 Hemi in it ?? Yes, it's worth saving and restoring.

But overall, those small block Dodge hemis are no big deal- I know where there are a few Dodge hemi engines in the junkyards here. One day we went out on a search for Pontiac 455's, and found 2 Chrysler

331/354 hemis and a 241 deSoto hemi, all still in cars.

The 392 Hemi is the keeper of that vintage Hemi bunch. If you can't have a 2nd gen 426 Hemi, get a 392 car.

FWIW, all the modern engines are Hemi heads or variations of such. My ' 95 GP has a DOHC head, 4-valve per cylinder, hemi heads.

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You've been asked many times to post a picture of your Firebird you bragged about and you've posted NOTHING so it's pretty ironic that you would even mention someone else posting a picture. This is just more of your trolling.

WRONG- not all 270's are Hemis. They actually made more POLY engines, than Hemis. That shows what you know. And the Dodge Royal Lancer came with a POLY as standard equipment. You had to order the CUSTOM to get the Hemi. And you didn't specify that was a Custom. There is a slight chance that is a car that someone special ordered with the SRR Hemi as a dealer/factory option- but those chances are very slim. The buyer profile you listed, sounds like someone that just walked into a showroom and bought the standard equipment car that year. Another oddity is, you made no mention of a SUPER RED RAM engine in your OP- which is emblazoned directly across each valve cover- something a wannabee like you would be cackling about if it was there. But if you can supply pics of the car, engine, vin number, and title- I'll stand corrected. Until then, the burden of proof is on you. FWIW, those cars sell for $10,000-15,000 in pristine condition- less than what it would cost to restore one.

And my account is working fine.

Dodge Hemispheric vs. Polyspheric Motor Comments Development and Description Less expensive, lighter variants of the Dodge hemi motors were developed, and introduced in 1955 for installation in the mid-priced Dodge cars. These new motors used the existing hemi block, but completely different heads, exhaust manifolds, pushrods, pistons, etc. with only a single rocker shaft in each head; the same intake manifolds

were used in many cases (but not the dual 4 bbl.). These motors were called "poly" (for poly-spheric: meaning "more than one sphere"), since the combustion chamber was now formed by two separate concave domed shapes (the valve seats and surrounding reliefs). Poly motors are also called single rocker shaft ("SRS"), while hemi motors are dual rocker shaft ("DRS"). Conversion of Dodge Poly Motors to Hemi 1955-58 Dodge 241, 259, 270, 315 & 325 poly motors can be converted

to hemi by substitution of hemi parts using Dodge parts only. If the original pistons are used, the motor will run, but have lower compression since the poly piston does not have a compression dome. The crankshaft balance will also be affected, since the hemi pistons are heavier in most cases due to the dome. Heads should be selected from motors of the same or smaller bore size to prevent the chamber from overhanging the bore, but some choices may be available as

to port size, valve size and chamber volume. Manifolds must match the deck height (low or raised). Hemi head bolts must be used. DeSoto Poly Motors Although "wide-block"poly motors were used in lower-priced

1955-58 DeSoto models, they are Dodge engines based on the Dodge hemi motor. These and the 1955-56 Plymouths using these motors can be converted by using Dodge hemi parts as described above. There is no poly motor based on the DeSoto hemi series. Chrysler Poly Motors Chrysler 1955-58 Saratoga and Windsor 301, 331 & 354 poly motors are based on the Chrysler hemi motors, which are only distantly related

to other brands. Poly "A" Motors There is no hemi motor based on the "A" series poly motor as used in Plymouths 1956-67 and some Dodges 1958-59, and no conversion by

direct substitution is possible. The "A" poly motor is very similar in design to the earlier hemi-derived poly motors, but parts are not generally interchangable. Notes All 1951-57 Chrysler, DeSoto, Dodge and Plymouth V8 motors, regardless of family, size or type, have the distributor located in the

rear of the engine. Only 1958-* "B" and "RB" type motors, both wedge and hemi, have front-mounted distributors. There is no commonality of parts or dimensions between the early (1951-58) motors and late (1964-*) hemi motors, which were developed by

adapting hemi technology to the "RB" motors. The Table below contains "Maximum Compression Distance" data. This is not measured or taken from factory information, it is calculated on the basis of .000" deck height (with the piston's top surface flush with the cylinder bank head gasket surface) with the tallest possible theoretical piston (measured between the piston pin center and the top surface).

Who the hell cares? Most of us have real lives, and Usenet is just an entertaining diversion for a few minutes every other day or so. I don't care if this Lancer or the other guy's Firebird are real cars or not. It's just a conversation, right?

You cared enough to respond.

Charlie Nudo claimed it was "punishment".

I cared enough to make conversation, but I don't care enough to demand proof. If the guy on the other end has a real car that he wants to talk about, we can talk about it and perhaps even accomplish something. But if he's a delusional freak who doesn't even have a car, I don't care enough to demand a photo. It's just not that important.

Regarding Charlie, Bob, and whoever else is involved in this mess, they can punish each other all they want. They are wasting time and soiling their own reputations when they try to win the general public over to their own side, however. I really don't think that most folks here give a rip one way or the other. We're just talking about cars.

Nudo obviously has a large emotional investment in this matter, and my gut reaction tells me that he's about 80% malarkey. I don't know what the deal is with Bob. He may be full of crap, too. I wouldn't be surprised I've seen the same fight a million times since 1995 when I got my first internet account. I even got mixed up in a few shouting matches myself before I discovered that it doesn't mean a thing. Believe it or not, there are a bunch of guys who treat radio controlled airplanes as if they were a life-or-death issue, and they have made bitter enemies on a model airplane discussion group. (I sure found a few irritating people there...) The whole thing is ridiculous.

Realistically, any information you need is probably available from better sources than Usenet. People come here to talk to other people. The most important issue in this discussion is that there is no need to warn the group about an individual. We can all see each individual revealed in his/her own posts.

I agree except that 80% figure is probably low, more like 99%.

yes, but you didn't say yours was a CUSTOM royal lancer, you just said royal lancer

that means POLY, which was standard equip for the royal lancer

otherwise, show us some pics of the actual engine compartment, with you standing there- not pastes from the net

All of a sudden, dB's "Royal Lancer Sedan" is a CUSTOM with a Hemi 270.

But his OP failed to mention the "Custom" and "Hemi" features.

He did some net research, and found out is has to be a D-50A optioned car, to be a Hemi

yeh, sure it is- the entry fee for one of those RARE cars is $10,000- so get back in your rotted Honda, and forget it, Broomstick Cowboy !!

All of a sudden, dB's "Royal Lancer Sedan" is a CUSTOM with a Hemi 270.

But his OP failed to mention the "Custom" and "Hemi" features.

He did some net research, and found out is has to be a late 1954 D-50A optioned car, or a 1955 D-553 optioned car, to be a Hemi

yeh, sure it is- the entry fee for one of those ULTRA RARE cars is $10,000- so get back in your rotted Honda, and forget it, Broomstick Cowboy !! They're considering your lowball offer, and laughing at your Honda as you drive away, with the rag in your gas cap fluttering gracefully in the breeze...

Like you could feed a 12 mpg Hemi car ?? All you talk about is gas mileage.

I stand corrected, Boob just pulled in with his car...sounds good too... (??!!)

that must smell really nice inside...

here ya go, Daddy LowBucks...here's a rare ' 55 CUSTOM ROYAL Dodge Hemi car over $5K right now, in mint shape, and still didn't hit reserve

let's see you put your monopoly money where your mouth is, and bid on it

wait and see just how much it is really worth- a SUPER RARE option

your $3000 offer would buy the valve covers and hub caps, that's about it

Here's an actual picture of Charlie Nudo's Ford pickup that he posted in the 8 track group.

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the model he is "wishing" that car is, is a lot more valuable than his paltry lowball $3000 offer- he most likely found a Royal Lancer 4-door- which he is now parading as a "Custom" model- the custom with the SRR Hemi was ultra rare- this one on Ebay is up to $8600 and has not reached reserve yet. If you look around the net you'll see they never sell for less than $10,000- dB did some net research and realized to pass his car off as a Hemi, he had to upgrade it's trim level status to Custom- notice now in his original post, he just said "Royal Lancer Sedan" with "original 270", then he went on to say "the 270 IS a Hemi"- he was assuming that ALL 270's are Hemis- they are not- he had no idea a Poly version of the 270 existed

He found a poly 270 4-door no doubt, that looks like a family of doberman pinchers was living in it for 10 years...

time will tell...even a dumb squirrel gets a nut once in a while...but knowing dB's net personality, Vegas odds says he's lying as usual- he's known for reporting the news as he "hopes" it might happen

Now you can see how nutsy kookoo DeserTBob and Bicycle really are...they remind me of a 2-headed cow I saw in a freak show display at a fair when I was a kid- the one cow head was doing all the chewing (dB), the other just had drool coming out of its mouth-(bicycle)

How "nutsy" is it that you posted for months as "DesertBob Jr."?

Did you forget about that, Charlie? Looks like you're the two-headed poster.

A chat with the daughter-in-law today told me that there's a MoPar nut in the family who wants this car badly as a family restoration project, so, barring the nephew deciding against it in the end, I'm going to get my $500 back. He lives up north in Placer County, but knows the car very well, he his granduncle used to drive him around Antelope Valley and environs in it years ago. Actually, a nice way for this to go, much the same way my dad's Cadillac went with me. I invited them to have me call him for a rundown on the car's condition and what it needs to get at least somewhat roadworthy again, which won't be much more than a lot of maintenance work, some brake parts, a set of tires and lots of elbow grease. I would imagine that it shouldn't take more than a day to get that engine's oil pump primed, spin it around sans plugs a bit, and fire it off. The master cylinder and the Lockheed brakes should be done for safety reasons anyway.

I do remember these mid-'50s Chrysler products all using those terrible Lockheed brakes, which were not self-centering, and if not absolutely perfectly adjusted, are about as effective as dragging ones shoe on the pavement. They were, if not adjusted just so, terribly prone to sudden, unrecoverable fade in heavy use. I remember back in the '60s driving a friend's '56 Royal Lancer after helping him with the carb rebuild and a tune-up. We got to opening the Dodge up, and it was really running great...the problem being, after about the third or fourth fairly hard stop, you just couldn't stop it anymore! I'd never driven a car before or since with such badly fading brakes; in comparsion, my '55 Olds felt like it had four wheel disks. Punching the "low" button on the Powerflite actually gave better braking the final time we tried stopping it, and I refused to go any further until those linings had cooled down.

I learned later from a family California Highway Patrol friend that this was the reason that the CHP refused Chrysler products all through the early and mid 1950s...miserable brakes. They instead opted for Olds Super 88s in '54, the custom built, cross-bred Buick Century-in-a-Special body Model 68 in '55, and some '56 Fords. Chrysler finally got smart with their brakes and went to superior Bendix brakes for '57, which got them a CHP contract in '58 for new Coronets with the new 361, and they never went back to GM or Ford again until '67 for a load of disappointing Olds Delmonts, and in '69 for some very unsuitable Merc Marquis 428s, both bonehead moves prodded by bonehead governor, Ronald RayGun. As it turned out in unearthed correspondence after RayGun was turned out, his staff and the California Repukican Party were soliciting huge lumps of campaign cash from the Big 3, and GM and Ford's response was, "If you want our money, you need to buy our cars!" The result was the unwanted Delmonts and Marquises, along with other incursions into the state vehicle fleet. The Ford and GM junk spent most of its time either in CHP shops or parked in the reserve lots. Our friend remembered doing beat time in the '67 Delmont, recalling that a desert beat around Palm Springs would usually result in overheating at least once during the shift.

This, however, didn't prevent the CHP from getting one of the all-time favorite patrol cruisers, the '69 Polara Pursuit 440s, the USA's fastest production sedan for decades. The Ford and GM interlopers were scrapped in short order, while the Chrysler product held sway in the CHP fleet up until the M-body was discontinued in 1989. However, by the time that happened, the CHP commissioner's office had been trying to economize by ordering special 318s with 4 bbls., totally inadequate for high speed pursuit work. That resulted in the 5 speed Mustang Police Interceptors...which is when the CHP learned that about

50% of their patrolmen had never learned to drive a stick! Since the Olds 88s of 1954 and '55 were all ordered with HydraMatic, the CHP had never bought a manual tranmission car until then...and wound up with a backlog of clutch and tranmission jobs at their shops almost immeidately.