Le Baron Starter - What Gives?

Changing out a bad starter motor is a five minute job for a high school boy...on a '53 Chevy. Two wires and two capscrews. Reach in and pull it free. That's it.

On my LeBaron, its two wires and four bolts and screws on the starter motor. Problem is you can't reach in and pull free. There's an exhaust manifold-to-body bracket blocking the motor to the right. The turbosupercharger blocks movement up and the right drive half-shaft blocks dropping down the starter. Its no job for a high school kid; its going to take a real expert like Tom Gale and he's going to spend a whole day on the job.

Some products we buy are immensely complicated, like a wrist watch, pocket calculator, computer printer, or television. But these items are cheap enough so we consider them disposable after the warranty period runs out. No attempt is made to repair them because even if you could find somebody who could actually do a fix, the parts (if available) and labor would exceed the replacement cost with new. Cars were different. I use the past tense, because we have entered the age of disposable cars. When it costs $500 or $600 to replace a starter motor on a 1988 LeBaron, the owner will think twice, particularly if other systems are worn. Add it up. $450 for a fuel pump, a couple of hundred for a timing belt, hundreds for repacking and replacing the CV boots and you have exceeded the value of the car for just a few maintenance jobs.

When Chrysler is building the car, an engineer has to rework a design if the manufacturing process requires an extra five MINUTES labor on the assembly line, for say installing the timing belt. But Chrysler could care less if an extra five HOURS is needed to field service the very same part. How else could you explain an engine mount blocking the removal and replacement of the timing belt (which requires the air conditioning mount to be unbolted first)? How else could you explain a lower plastic cover that is unremovable without destroying it? How else would you explain requiring removal of all accessory belts before the timing belt can be pulled foward and off? How else do you explain why the timing marks are not viewable directly orthographically save for a mirror view which distorts the picture? On this last point, the smart ass mechanic will use the flywheel "0" timing mark for TDC, mark the distributor rotor, and cam sprocket for reference instead of the factory sprocket marks (which were actually used at the time of manufacture)!

It is obvious that the power train is dropped into the chassis fully assembled on the line. This is the way it should be, but service is an afterthought, with many parts essentially unserviceable. To remove and replace the turbo is a nightmare. So is the fuel injection rail, engine head, transmission, steering gear, water pump, and just about everything else. The few exceptions like the radiator, battery, thermostat, spark plugs and air cleaner are okay, but give it time and Chrysler will figure some way to screw those up too. Even the side mounted oil filter is a pain in the ass because a clever vertical design will allow R & R without spilling a drop. Here that, Tom? Elegance in engineering doesn't ring at D/C.

When you select your next car open the hood and see what it looks like underneath it. If you can't find the starter motor, keep walking. If you can't see the spark plugs in plain view, look for a competetitor's product. Most consumers have long given up on servicing their own cars saying they will let a professional worry about it. That attitude is going to cost you through the nose and lead to premature junking of your car. A professional who has to struggle his way to injectors, plugs, adjustments, and various components is going to charge you about $60 an hour to do it. So an extra three hours on a timing belt job is going to add $180 to the job and that is no joke. Parts like timing belts and clutch plates should be a slip-out, slip-in, five minute job.

Chrysler: you continue to go in the wrong direction. Make cars simpler, not more complicated. Make them easier to access for service, not more difficult. Why do you put plastic covers all over the engine to hide things? This is stupid and expensive and no engineer on your staff thought up that one. Find out the suit who did and fire his ass. Put the money where it counts: into durability, reliability, simplicity, serviceablity, user economy, rationality. Do that an you might sell a Pacifica or two.

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MotorMedic
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Ok Mr. Troll. I'll bite only because I'm bored today.

I guess you just have to be smarter than what you're working on.

How long has it been since you changed your handle?? I don't visit in here very often.

Denny

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Denny

This was established years ago.

Reply to
Neil Nelson

Duh!!!

But who cares, the used car market is full of cars that don't need a " few maintenance jobs" for great deals. In fact, the used car market hasn't been this flooded in years.

Would you rather be living in Japan where the inspection process is so tight that it's mandatory to scrap anything over 6 years old?

Student Mucket, you just don't understand the car market. What your listing here is what the USED CAR PURCHASERS are demanding in a car. NEW CAR PURCHASERS come from a completely different planet. The auto manufacturers build cars for new car purchasers, not used car purchasers.

The new car purchaser today is someone who is willing to fully depreciate his $15,000-$20,000 over a 7 year time period, or is willing to accept 50% depreciation over a 2 year time period. In short, the new car purchaser is someone who doesen't see anything wrong with a $200 a month car payment. Sorry if you don't like this, but this is the way things are. As long as the new car purchaser is like this, the auto maker that wins is whoever can deliver the most CAR for this amount of money. Thus, the emphasis is on cost-cutting because the more cost that can be cut out of the new vehicle purchase price, the more shit that can be crammed into the new vehicle, thus the more chance that a new car purchaser is going to buy it.

Ted

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Ted Mittelstaedt

On Wed, 3 Sep 2003, Ted Mittelstaedt responded to a message posted by "MotorMedic" . This is last school year's "Student Mechanic" with a new anonymous handle. For contributing to this lowlife getting his jollies by trolling the group, Ted Mittelstaedt gets a public shaming.

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Daniel J. Stern

Hey Dan, your going to have to shame yourself as well. You posted to the same thread, you should have opened a new one instead of posting a followup. As a result, you fed the troll same as me.

In any case, it's a lot better than that Mini Cooper thing which was interesting when it started, but has now degenerated into uselessness.

Ted

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Ted Mittelstaedt

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