Re: GM can't even beg properly

You dont quite understand the politics here. The Republican president is still in power. There is no immediate Democratic majority.

If the Dems piss away money without thought to the feelings of the taxpayers, they can be in a heap of shit.

Pouco a pouco

The Dems have the majority in both houses of Congress and have had for a couple of years now. Current seems fairly immediate to me, anyway. Then give them the money already allocated and when the Republican president is no longer in power give them more.

Of course he is, and so are all other politicians with European and Japanese car plants located in their state.

It is not that simple. A simple majority doesnt count...And if the bill passes and the President says VETO, then nothing counts.

All the ducks are not in line.

in article snipped-for-privacy@anonymitaet-im-inter.net, Dave U. Random at snipped-for-privacy@anonymitaet-im-inter.net wrote on 11/19/08 2:21 PM:

the man is stuck in his toddler tantrum.

this is what happens to children raised with belts, spoons, hairbrushes and blood for breakfast ... they stay immature.

they grow up, they go to school, they learn a job, present well, raise up the ladder ... and then they get caught.

Like OJ ... he is a little boy.

Or Bubble Boy or Commander In Thief ...he lies, cheat and steals like out of the cookie jar ... just more smooth about it.

If you have the mind for it ... you can see people in their toddler tantrum all over the place with their judgement, expectation, justification, invalidation and magical thinking of being right and you wrong.

It is in front of you all the time in plain sight.

sumbuddie wear blind sea

:)

I heard part of it today (while driving in my GM truck) -

Some Senator: Mr. Wagoner, how much of the $25 billion would you need to run through April?

Wagoner:

Senator: Mr Wagoner, I must be dumb, because I didn't understand a damn thing you said. Tell me, how much of the $25 billion would you need through April?

Wagoner:

Senator: I fail to see why you cannot answer the question...

It was laughable and very very sad.

The GOP and the President has said numerous times that the $25B in retooling money already allocated could be used for cash flow purposes instead the very second the Dem-controlled Congress votes in the affirmative to the needed changes. No veto is being threatened unless the ADDITIONAL $25B comes out of TARP. All those ducks are nicely arranged in a very straight line The Dems are caught between two of their biggest contributors (Unions and environmentalists) and don't want to piss off the unions by abandoning the UAW and they don't want to piss off the environmental lobby because the retooling money is supposed to be used exclusively for development of greener cars. So, instead of strapping on the Congressional Cajones and actually making a stand, they punt and blame the intransigence of the GOP. Sorta like their reneging on their Iraqui war promises in the Midterm. BTW: With the settling of the Alaska Senatorial race, the Dems are only two votes short of veto and filibuster proof. If they can't peal off two auto-state Republicans on this bill, they are way doomed.

Well, 22 months.

And you need 60 votes in the Senate to do almost anything. Plus Bush can still veto.

Both Michigan Senators are Democrats. Ditto both from Illinois. One from Ohio. One from Pennsylvania.

Most Republicans are from the South and Mountain states these days.

So what?

Non-union states. Less protectionist. Now the minority party.

But then the more liberal party has ALWAYS been more corru^H^H^H^H^H^ pro-union.

;-)