Re: Hybrid Lovers Read This and Lament

The question is how new this technology is really There were electrical cars before combustion engine cars cam along Also these hybrid cars have been decades in development stage Lots of the companies have been trying to overcome probelms with pure electrical cars Always failing because of refueling problems, battery sizes and weight With a fuel cell and electrical car hybrid most problems are gone With oil and electrical hybrids as a medium term solution Toyota seems to be way ahead of the pack, Honda a good second with the rest scrambling to catch up Problem for most of the big companies is they have to get rid of old technologies, old plants, old workers, old bad image before they can start really down the road of the future with these new technologies They have for obvious reasons been dragging their feet of going in for these changes but they seem to have realized that if they do not do it then they will be stuck with all those old problems and nothing to replace it once the closures are a fact

So now we have started to see plants being closed down and plans for more closures

Question is where will the new plants be built, by whom and how fast will these changes take place

Who will live to make the change

Pretty exciting times ahead for us customers

Reply to
gosinn
Loading thread data ...

Nuclear waste will be confined to the Yucca mountain site, as soon as the 'politics' of doing so is settled. That is a far more secure place of storing it then under six feet of water in the power plants as is the case now.

mike hunt

Reply to
Mike Hunter

Bury it underground with all the nuclear waste the earth produced on its own.

Launch it into space and send it into the sun, all the while laughing at the environmentalist idiots who file lawsuits claiming that adding .0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% of nuclear fuel to the sun's mass is an environmental disaster.

Put it down michael jackson's pants.

Ship it to france, tell them it is from SH.

Allow the muslims in the world to experience first hand what a nuclear bomb does.

I am sure we can come up with more if we try.

Reply to
DTJ

Zero, unless you allow the environmentalist idiots to file lawsuits claiming adding water to the environment is a disaster.

Reply to
DTJ

Thanks for the crossposting, y'all. Plus all that incredibly informed discussion. Keep it up!

Reply to
Joe

Here is a shortlist of the most advanced Fuel cell companies

THE DAIMLERCHRYSLER F-Cell THE FORD FOCUS FCV GENERAL MOTORS Hy-wire and the HydroGen3 HONDAS FCX fuel HYUNDAI MOTOR COMPANY FCEV NISSANS TOYOTA FCHV VOLKSWAGENS Touran HyMotion

There is a well developed program that has been ongoing for more than a decade and there are several places in the world who are already playing an important part in utilizing these cars

California, USA California Fuel Cell Partnership is to facilitate members' placement of up to 300 fuel cell cars and buses into fleets and to promote hydrogen fueling stations to support them.

Hamburg, Germany is well placed to become one of the leading centres for development of products based on fuel cells.

Florida, USA hydrogen initiative with the production of eight hydrogen powered shuttle buses for use in the Orlando area

=CDsland Icelands first hydrogen fueling station is already operating on the outskirts of Reykjav=EDk. The hydrogen, which powers a small fleet of fuel cell buses, is produced onsite from electrolyzed tap water. Meanwhile the recently formed Icelandic New Energy-a consortium that includes automakers, Royal Dutch/Shell and the Icelandic power company Norsk Hydro-is planning to convert the rest of the island nation to a hydrogen=20 system.

Reply to
gosinn

Here is a shortlist of the most advanced Fuel cell companies

THE DAIMLERCHRYSLER "F-Cell" THE FORD FOCUS FCV GENERAL MOTORS' Hy-wire and the HydroGen3 HONDA'S FCX fuel HYUNDAI MOTOR COMPANY FCEV NISSAN'S TOYOTA FCHV VOLKSWAGEN'S Touran HyMotion

There is a well developed program that has been ongoing for more than a decade and there are several places in the world who are already playing an important part in utilizing these cars

California, USA California Fuel Cell Partnership is to facilitate members' placement of up to 300 fuel cell cars and buses into fleets and to promote hydrogen fueling stations to support them.

Hamburg, Germany is well placed to become one of the leading centres for development of products based on fuel cells.

Florida, USA hydrogen initiative with the production of eight hydrogen powered shuttle buses for use in the Orlando area

=CDsland Iceland's first hydrogen fueling station is already operating on the outskirts of Reykjav=EDk. The hydrogen, which powers a small fleet of fuel cell buses, is produced onsite from electrolyzed tap water. Meanwhile the recently formed Icelandic New Energy-a consortium that includes automakers, Royal Dutch/Shell and the Icelandic power company Norsk Hydro-is planning to convert the rest of the island nation to a hydrogen system.

Reply to
gosinn

Here is a shortlist of the most advanced Fuel cell companies

THE DAIMLERCHRYSLER "F-Cell" THE FORD FOCUS FCV GENERAL MOTORS' Hy-wire and the HydroGen3 HONDA'S FCX fuel HYUNDAI MOTOR COMPANY FCEV NISSAN'S TOYOTA FCHV VOLKSWAGEN'S Touran HyMotion

There is a well developed program that has been ongoing for more than a decade and there are several places in the world who are already playing an important part in utilizing these cars

California, USA California Fuel Cell Partnership is to facilitate members' placement of up to 300 fuel cell cars and buses into fleets and to promote hydrogen fueling stations to support them.

Hamburg, Germany is well placed to become one of the leading centres for development of products based on fuel cells.

Florida, USA hydrogen initiative with the production of eight hydrogen powered shuttle buses for use in the Orlando area

=CDsland Iceland's first hydrogen fueling station is already operating on the outskirts of Reykjav=EDk. The hydrogen, which powers a small fleet of fuel cell buses, is produced onsite from electrolyzed tap water. Meanwhile the recently formed Icelandic New Energy-a consortium that includes automakers, Royal Dutch/Shell and the Icelandic power company Norsk Hydro-is planning to convert the rest of the island nation to a hydrogen=20 system.

Reply to
gosinn

Here is a shortlist of the most advanced Fuel cell companies

THE DAIMLERCHRYSLER "F-Cell" THE FORD FOCUS FCV GENERAL MOTORS' Hy-wire and the HydroGen3 HONDA'S FCX fuel HYUNDAI MOTOR COMPANY FCEV NISSAN'S TOYOTA FCHV VOLKSWAGEN'S Touran HyMotion

There is a well developed program that has been ongoing for more than a decade and there are several places in the world who are already playing an important part in utilizing these cars

California, USA California Fuel Cell Partnership is to facilitate members' placement of up to 300 fuel cell cars and buses into fleets and to promote hydrogen fueling stations to support them.

Hamburg, Germany is well placed to become one of the leading centres for development of products based on fuel cells.

Florida, USA hydrogen initiative with the production of eight hydrogen powered shuttle buses for use in the Orlando area

=CDsland Iceland's first hydrogen fueling station is already operating on the outskirts of Reykjav=EDk. The hydrogen, which powers a small fleet of fuel cell buses, is produced onsite from electrolyzed tap water. Meanwhile the recently formed Icelandic New Energy-a consortium that includes automakers, Royal Dutch/Shell and the Icelandic power company Norsk Hydro-is planning to convert the rest of the island nation to a hydrogen=20 system.

Reply to
gosinn

Here is a shortlist of the most advanced Fuel cell companies

THE DAIMLERCHRYSLER "F-Cell" THE FORD FOCUS FCV GENERAL MOTORS' Hy-wire and the HydroGen3 HONDAS FCX fuel HYUNDAI MOTOR COMPANY FCEV NISSANS TOYOTA FCHV VOLKSWAGEN'S Touran HyMotion

There is a well developed program that has been ongoing for more than a decade and there are several places in the world who are already playing an important part in utilizing these cars

California, USA California Fuel Cell Partnership is to facilitate members' placement of up to 300 fuel cell cars and buses into fleets and to promote hydrogen fueling stations to support them.

Hamburg, Germany is well placed to become one of the leading centres for development of products based on fuel cells.

Florida, USA hydrogen initiative with the production of eight hydrogen powered shuttle buses for use in the Orlando area

=CDsland Icelands first hydrogen fueling station is already operating on the outskirts of Reykjav=EDk. The hydrogen, which powers a small fleet of fuel cell buses, is produced onsite from electrolyzed tap water. Meanwhile the recently formed Icelandic New Energy-a consortium that includes automakers, Royal Dutch/Shell and the Icelandic power company Norsk Hydro-is planning to convert the rest of the island nation to a hydrogen=20 system.

Reply to
gosinn

More waste than net energy output.

(since net energy output is less than zero...)

If practical fusion power DID exist, there would still be waste; the reactor vessel itself becomes radioactive over time, due to neutron emission. Even if you come up with practical aneutronic fusion, you'll still get some waste, though far less.

Reply to
Matthew Russotto

thanks to Organized Labor.

Reply to
YourAdHere

all the useless crap. Detroit could easily build a 2500 pound family car that gives 40 mpg and costs $8,000 brand new and gives 250,000 trouble-free miles on nothing but routine maintenance.

Reply to
YourAdHere

After a few years a majority of cars will be either fuel cell cars or hybrids

That is basically what you do with fuel cell cars

It is highly likely that Detroit will miss out on this development at least initially

If they would want to do anything like this it would mean either hybrid or a fuel cell or both

With fuel cells you have a lot less moving parts

What you get is more space in the car

You get a lighter car

You get a car that lasts longer

You get a car with a lot less maintenance

Fuel cells cars and hybrids are no longer just a dream they are a real alternative

Problem is there is not very much production capacity yet

Reply to
gosinn

snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com wrote in news:1134838188.521528.107800 @o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com:

Nonsense.

Nonsense.

Detroit won't make that kind of vehicle because there's no profit in it.

Nonsense.

Nonsense.

Nonsense.

Nonsense.

Nonsense.

Nonsense.

Nonsense.

Hybrids are simply not a cost-effective alternative. They might save a barrel or two of imported oil, but they are certainly not less expensive to run.

Reply to
Joe

The nerve of those workers, expecting current workers to support them in their retirement instead of saving their own money for the purpose and supporting themselves.

Reply to
Scott en Aztlán

top posting corrected by snipping entire post...

Yes, and now after having helped the American worker to gain reasonable work hours and wages, they are now killing the American worker's jobs by driving companies out of business. Good thing we have unions to steal, I mean tax, our hard earned money.

Reply to
DTJ

It really depends how you define reasonable wages. In the cost of building a new car, approx 30% is for raw materials and 70% is labor costs and health insurnace alone adds about 1500 dollars to the price of each new car from GM. The bubble is bursting and time to pay the piper and get runaway costs under control.

Reply to
TheSnoMan

OK.......if raw materials is 30% and Labor is 70%, I guess all other costs of doing business is free....right? What a loon...........

Dave

Reply to
Hairy

"I guess all other costs of doing business is free....right? "

*lol* There would appear to be many costs of production not accounted for in that oversimplified formula!
Reply to
Cool Jet

MotorsForum website is not affiliated with any of the manufacturers or service providers discussed here. All logos and trade names are the property of their respective owners.