Re: PT Cruiser.. Pros? Cons?

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040327 0342 - Cory posted: > > > As I said, the EPA numbers are only useful for comparison and will > > inevitably vary based on how idividual drivers use the gas pedal. All > > things being equal, you could reasonably expect to get better mileage in a > > 2002 than a 2001. I have no idea what changes were made to account for the > > improvement. As for the inconsistency, I don't write government specs. I > > only cite them. > > > > Cory > > > >> Must be a disconnect as far as the 2001 models. I have the EPA window > >> sticker from my 2001 PT Cruiser from when I bought it new. Keep it > >> framed and on the garage wall. It is a 5 speed manual. Has 20 city and > >> 26 highway on it. That is at variance with the publications you cite. > >> Anyway, that is just an estimate. I get much better mileage than the > >> window Sticker. I average 23 mpg in town and 29 to 31 on the highway. > >> > >> > >> > >> Cory wrote: > >>> Hell Toupee wrote: > >>> > >>>> Richard wrote: > >>>> > >>>> My Cons: > >>>> > >>>> 1. Fuel economy. It sucks. > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> If you're looking for a manual PT, avoid the 2001's. Fuel economy > > improved > >>> in 2002. Here are the EPA numbers for non-turbos. Ref: > >>>
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>>> > >>> 2001 > >>> auto - 20/26 > >>> manual - 20/25 > >>> > >>> 2002 > >>> auto - 19/25 > >>> manual - 21/29 > >>> > >>> 2003 > >>> auto - 20/25 > >>> manual - 21/29 > >>> > >>> 2004 > >>> auto - 21/26 > >>> manual - 22/29 > >>> > >>> As you all know, these numbers are only useful for comparison and can't > >>> factor in all the variables of real-world driving. > >>> > >>> > >>>> 2. The incredibly STUPID design that forces the air-conditioning to > >>>> run when you turn on the front defroster. I live in Minnesota, and > >>>> regularly need to defrost the windshield in the winter. I _don't_ > >>>> appreciate having the air conditioning noticeably cooling the air > >>>> when I'm trying to warm and dry the windshield. It would've made more > >>>> sense to let people opt to turn on the a/c when using the defrosters, > >>>> rather than having both run simultaneously as the default. > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> I find this feature very useful. The A/C isn't limited to pumping out > > cool > >>> air. You can set the temp dial anywhere you like. Warm A/C will defog > > the > >>> inside of the windows much faster than no A/C at all. From the owner's > >>> manual, description of Defrost setting: > >>> > >>> "The air conditioning compressor operates in both Mix and Defrost or a > > blend > >>> of these modes even if the fan switch is not in the A/C position. This > >>> dehumidifies the air to help dry the windshield." > >>> > >>> Cory > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > The 2001 PT Cruiser drive train, with standard transmission, has gear > ratios: > > 1st 3.5 to 1 > > 2nd 1.96 to 1 > > 3rd 1.36 to 1 > > 4th 0.971 to 1 > > 5th 0.811 to 1 > > Axle 3.94 to 1 > > Overall ratio is 3.2 to 1 > > > I had a 1980 Chevrolet Citation 2 door hatchback with a 4 speed standard > transmission and 4 cylinder engine that I thought was fun to drive. I live > in an apartment complex, and a couple of newer cars that I have had were > stolen, so I bought the Citation. Nobody wanted that car, it was 5 years > old when I bought it, and I had no problems with going out in the morning > and finding it still there where I had parked it. I had done some work on > the emissions, carburetion, and exhaust systems, and I really enjoyed > driving the car until the body finally gave up on me and I had the car > hauled to the dump. The gear ratios in the Citation were: > > 1st 3.53 to 1 > > 2nd 1.95 to 1 > > 3rd 1.24 to 1 > > 4th 0.81 to 1 > > Axle 3.32 to 1 > > Overall ratio is 2.69 to 1 > > The Citation engine was 2.5 Litres, and the PT Cruiser has a 2.4 Liter > engine. I worked real hard at it one time and squeezed 31 miles per gallon > of gas from the Citation. I haven't checked the mileage on the PT Cruiser > that I bought -- I just got it a couple of weeks ago -- but most say the > Cruisers get around 21 mpg. After driving the Cruiser, I don't see why the > axle couldn't be 3.32 to 1 like the Citation. It would most certainly > improve the gas mileage and wouldn't hurt the performance of the car at all, > especially the 5 speed manual. I'm personally not interested in spinning > tires and burning rubber, but I am interested in preserving fuel and > reducing the long term wear and tear on the engine. The engine would turn > fewer RPM's to go 50 or 60 MPH. > > Fifth Gear ratio has been changed from 0.81 to 0.72 on the 2002 models & > newer. Final Drive ratio remains at 3.94, but effective ratio in top (5th) > gear drops from 3.20 to 2.80. >
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Peter
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If I ever got 20 in the city in my 2001 PT, I'd be most grateful!!!

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TOM KAN PA

For those who are concerned about the power of the PT Cruiser, they should get the Turbo version (Available starting in 2003) it's faster than a '67 V8 Mustang. Regarding the large turning radius, it's not as bad as it seems because of the curved front end which make parking easier.

The 2003 PT Cruiser GT has a 215 HP 2.4 liter Turbocharged engine. And we love it! Lots of leg room, easy to get in/out of, good driving vantage point, and plenty of room for cargo. You can fit a load of 8 foot long 2X12s in it and still close the hatch.

Although it's 8 inches shorter than a Nissan Sentra (169 vs 177 inches), "Its 121.5 cubic feet of interior volume is comparable to that of large cars such as the Mercedes-Benz S-Class or Lincoln Town Car."

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"In size, it compared to the Honda CR-V, with a similar wheelbase and only 2 cubic feet less cargo volume--despite standing some 2 inches lower and measuring nearly 9 inches shorter overall."
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Yet it's 0-60 Acceleration of 7.2 seconds is better than a 1967 Mustang with a V8 engine. It accelerates smoothly from 50-to-70-mph in a mere 4.7 seconds which is great for passing. Not that it matters, but it goes Zero to 100 mph in 21.1 sec.

compare that to 0-60 Times for some sports cars: A 1993 Jaguar XJS Coupe - 7.8 sec. A 1989 Porsche 944 - 7.5 sec. A 1967 Ford Mustang (390ci V8 w/4spd) - 7.4 sec. A 1987 Mazda RX-7 Turbo - 6.6 sec. A 2003 Chrysler PT Cruiser GT Turbo - 7.2 Sec. It does the quarter-mile in 15.7 seconds at 88 mph (source

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According to Progressive, the Chrysler PT Cruiser is the second cheapest car to insure.http://www.forbes.com/personalfinance/2004/01/27/cz_cc_0127insurance.html And what a blast to drive.

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Joe

Is that right? That seems awfully slow compared to the other numbers, and just feels slow for 214 horsepower in a PT-sized car. Heck, the

2-ton 300C is almost two seconds faster than that. Maybe its just traction limited due to being front-drive. Its not a quarter-mile bruiser after all.

Also, how does the PT turbo's acceleration stack up against the Mini Cooper S? I've heard that its faster.... I have a neighbor whose nose I need to rub in it if its true that the PT is faster. :-)

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Steve

The PT Cruiser with a manual transmission is faster than the Mini Super Cooper.

With a manual transmission, the GT PT Cruiser does 0-60 in 6.4 seconds.

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The Mini Cooper S people claimed it would do it in 6.3 seconds, but Car and Driver found it does it in 7.0 seconds.
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The times I quoted before were for an automatic transmission.

With 1 driver and 1 passenger, the GT Cruiser would likely beat the Mini by an even greater margin due to the power to weight ratio. And what's the point of having a fast car if you can't impress your girl? :)

Joe R

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Joe

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