To Stag or Not To Stag - Page 2

Accompanied by the sound of a chisel on slate Mark
of wisdom

You must have got the good one.


145 bhp and 170 lb ft from a 3.0 V8. Hardly exemplary, even then.

I'm sure a Stag is good fun to drive when they work, but I know too many
people who've bought them [1] and deeply regretted it. My first ever
experience of travelling in an AA recovery truck was because of a 6 month
old Stag which had blown its motor. That, along with all the other
experiences I've had of dead Stag motors is enough to put me off them.

Triumph should have swallowed their pride and fitted the vastly superior
Rover V8 or stuck the 2.5 PI motor in [2]

[1] Although there's a purple one round here that seems to work, must be
Rover powered.
[2] Yes, I know how bad the Lucas PI system is.

--
Pete M - That Scouse Git - OMF#9

W&P Range Rover V8 Turbo
Golf GTi 2.0 (Mk2 - proper one)
Golf GTi Mk1 (For Sale)

:-) Which is what people say about ours - "It's fitted with a Rover
engine - yes?"

Mark

Interesting point is one reason for the Rover V-8 to have come about was
that the care of the original was too complicated for backwood US
garages...

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*Go the extra mile. It makes your boss look like an incompetent slacker *

    Dave Plowman        dave@davenoise.co.uk           London SW
                  To e-mail, change noise into sound.

As was any all alloy engine, the same can be said for many garages in
the UK, remember all the problems that the Imp engine had - same basic
engine used in racing and the fire service, no problems...

You seem to have been surrounded by average mechanics. Rather like the
Stag engine, the Lucas injection system didn't suffer fools gladly.

--
*Nostalgia isn't what is used to be.

    Dave Plowman        dave@davenoise.co.uk           London SW
                  To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Around the same output as a contemporary Rover 3.5 V8, then - as fitted
to the MGB-GT (137bhp - and yes, I do know that was strangled by the
installation), TR8 (132bhp), Rover P6B (143-150bhp), Rover P5B (151bhp)
and Rover SD1 (non-Vitesse version, 155bhp).
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www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - Hongdou GY200 - Alfa 75 TSpark
Alfa 156 TSpark - B6 Passat 2.0TDI SE - COSOC KOTL
BOTAFOT #87 - BOTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC #

Accompanied by the sound of a chisel on slate
of wisdom

TR8 was strangled by US emissions stuff, but IIRC had 210 lb ft torque
Rover P6B was 176 bhp with 220 lb ft @ 3000 rpm, the low compression ones
were 156 bhp with 205 lb ft @ 3000 rpm.

Quite a significant amount more than the Stag, from a much more reliable
motor.

--
Pete M - That Scouse Git - OMF#9

W&P Range Rover V8 Turbo
Golf GTi 2.0 (Mk2 - proper one)
Golf GTi Mk1 (For Sale)

With all due respect, 'cos you do know a lot of 'stuff' like this, but
I'd prefer to refer to the bible on such matters:

http://www.austin-rover.co.uk/index.htm?engineroverv8f.htm
--
SteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo'
www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - Hongdou GY200 - Alfa 75 TSpark
Alfa 156 TSpark - B6 Passat 2.0TDI SE - COSOC KOTL
BOTAFOT #87 - BOTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC #

Accompanied by the sound of a chisel on slate
of wisdom

I'm going off the official Rover figures in the original P6 workshop manual
for the P6 ones. The TR8 ones are from memory.

If you were going to use an example of a strangled Rover V8, the late '70s
Stromberg carb Range Rover would have been ideal. 135 bhp, but 220 lb ft.

--
Pete M - That Scouse Git - OMF#9

W&P Range Rover V8 Turbo
Golf GTi 2.0 (Mk2 - proper one)
Golf GTi Mk1 (For Sale)

Stage I Series III Land-Rover? 91 bhp...

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Andy Breen ~     Speaking for myself, not the University of Wales
        "your suggestion rates at four monkeys for six weeks"
                        (Peter D. Rieden)

Accompanied by the sound of a chisel on slate Andrew Robert

Well batted, I forgot that one.


--
Pete M - That Scouse Git - OMF#9

W&P Range Rover V8 Turbo
Golf GTi 2.0 (Mk2 - proper one)
Golf GTi Mk1 (For Sale)

Andrew Robert Breen wrote:

Yes, but in a leaf sprung Land Rover, 91bhp is way too much power!
I might get around to doing something with mine one day...

Well I have listened to all the opinions here and elsewhere and it
seems that a few people own Stags and say they are great cars which
are reliable if properly maintained, a few people owned stags and
remember them with great fondness, a whole heap of people have never
owned stags and think they are the worst car in the world because some
bloke down the pub said once.

I decided to buy the Stag as my criteria was 4 seats and convertible
and their aint much else you can buy for two grand and a midget.

Thanks for your opinions

adrian_sawyer@postmaster.co.uk wrote:


Good for you. Let us know how you get on.

I'm sure he will...! <GD&R> :~)

from adrian_sawyer@postmaster.co.uk contains these words:


If you want a period car with 4 seats that handles better you should be
able to find a Elan Plus 2S for similar money but then of course you
would have an even greater problem with the blokes down the pub who have
never owned one. :-)

--
Roger Chapman

He was hunting a four-seat convertable, which rules out the Plus 2. In
fact, it pretty much rules out everything apart from the Stag and the
Scimitar GTC, and as the OP has already said that Scimitars aren't his
sort of thing then Stag it'd have to be.

I wish him luck and much pleasure with/from it..

--
Andy Breen ~     Not speaking on behalf of the University of Wales, Aberystwyth
        Feng Shui: an ancient oriental art for extracting
         money from the gullible (Martin Sinclair)

from azb@aber.ac.uk (Andrew Robert Breen) contains these words:


I have got to the age where I think convertibles are grossly over rated*
and short term memory loss is a significant problem. I am sure I read
the earlier part of this thread but must have forgotten the significant
bit.

*It wasn't always the case. I have run at various times an A/H 100/4, a
SWB 2A Landrover, 2 Spridgets, 2 Elans and a Fiat X1-9. And yes I did on
occasion use the Land Rover with the rag top off and the windshield
down. My earliest convertible was a Sunbeam Talbot 80 back in 1963 but
sadly I never managed to get that roadworthy.

--
Roger Chapman

You didn't miss much - too heavy.  The best thing would have been to get the
previous model, a Sunbeam-Talbot 10hp, and put the 80 engine into that.
Made a nice little car, that did.

Ron Robinson

Andrew Robert Breen (azb@aber.ac.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying :


Isn't there somebody who does a (very pretty, IIRC) convertible conversion
on the +2?


If you're happy to go as recent as late '80s, then Saab 900?

Oh, then there's the 2cv, of course...