Do you know of anybody that has modified a C3 frame to fit a full C5
drivetrain? I figure I have two options, chop 4.5 inches out of the
torque tube on the C5 or put the frame on as-is and cut the wheel wells
on the C3 body to extend them. Oh, the third option is to skip it
because it's not realistic.
Thanks in advance,
I know you can buy frames completely ready to go with all components
for C2's but I don't know of seeing any frames C2-C3 with C5 component
I'd imagine the transaxle/torque tube might not fit under floor & the
rear on a C2-C3.
Dunno, but a good question :-)
Oscar Erickson wrote:
I know that such things exist as I saw at least half a dozen early
vintage C1's & C2's with LS1 or LS2's transplanted under their hoods at
Hot August Nights.
I saw an absolutely perfect 63 split back coupe sitting next to a
beautiful 55 roadster, both with such a setup.
Thought I was going to cry.
IMHO, it makes about as much sense as putting a Ferrari engine in a Pinto.
I know, I know...
Some of you guys will argue that they run better, make more power, are
easier to get parts for, yadda, yadda, yadda...
I just don't agree.
I guess I'm a purist at heart.
If you want a new car, go out and buy one.
Don't "F" up classics!!
I saw a company selling these conversion frame setups, they run $20-25k
I asked ..... "why would a guy spend $30k (adding a little for labor) to a
$30k car to have a $30k car when he's done ?"
This guy almost went berserk .......said you have a $100k car when your done
blah blah blah , I got a kick out of that one.
Anyway with a little more insight I have found that in some cases of
broken,rusted,damaged beyond repair frames or replica built not original
cars , the frames may have their place.
Butt like you said not on a purists car
The California market is turning prices insane. There are those who buy the
modified Corvettes are unreal prices. As such, others think that is what
they are worth. Look at the Orange County Chopper crap. $50,000 - $75,000
for custom bikes. Insanity. We used to build custom choppers for much, much
less. The thing that differentiates our work from theirs is buyers. They
get buyers with more dollars than sense and buy something because you say it
is worth that much.
The ProStreet Resto cars are getting big bucks in Calif and so many think
that is what they are worth. The problem is there is a big difference in
what something costs and what something is worth. I could charge you $2000
to strip the paint off your Corvette, but that sure would not increase the
value of your car by $2000. In fact, try selling it with the paint stripped
and you'd find "worth" is now much much less.
And the hot rod magazines live for this stuff, so readers think it is
gospel. Never forget the Hot Rod Mag article on the '66 Chevelle all
restored with the L88 454, Muncie M22, Pioneer stereo, Leather interior,
etc. etc. Restored? They didn't know the meaning of the word.
I didn't mean to touch off an argument about the merits of upgrading
parts versus restoring. The C3 I have had no engine nor various other
parts so in my eyes it's basically a body that needs to be placed on
something. Now I need to decide if it's worth the effort because I'm
really sick of seeing the body hanging from the rafters in my garage.
Yes, in retrospect I should have bought a running C3 (or C5) and been
done with it. Sigh, hindsight.
Tom in Missouri wrote:
You'll get that with any group, most make up their minds as to what you
should do by what they know and think they would do. It would have helped if
everyone knew you had a "body" hanging in the closet that you were thinking
about making some changes for your own personal machine. Personally I think
it's a great idea, what could be finer that the style of the C3 with the
punch and ride of a C5/C6. I'm running into the same thoughts as I restore
my "highly collectable" '50 Chevrolet coupe. The labor is about the same as
is the parts, but when I'm done it's my car ether way. Not a good performer,
not a high yield antique if an antique at all. Just a car that I wanted and
not many other people will be willing to pay what I have in it.
If you have the money, time, and need to get a divorce, go for it. ;-)
If you read my post a couple of items down, you see my philosophy on cars
and yours doesn't violate that. If you had said "I have this 435hp '69
convertible I want to convert to C5 suspension," or you said "I have my
Mom's '68 convertible with 15,000 original miles on it", then you see where
that goes against it.
But most C3s are not worth the effort to restore except for personal
satisfaction. As such, most are also not going to be missed if you put C5
on the front, a 12 bolt Chevy in the rear, a blown 502 under (through) the
hood, and painted it metalflake purple. (I'm not too incline on the purple,
but maybe you would be.)
Again, if you said you had a mint low mile '79, even with 54,000 of them
built, that wouldn't really be right. But a '79 that is on its second or
third engine, probably missing half the original parts, and so on, sure, why
not make it run like a C5. I remember a black '78 brand new at Bloomington
with a ZL-1 in it, I believe. Might have only been an L-88 but I believe
the excitement in the crowd was that it was all aluminum. Car only had a
few hundred miles on it. It was not rare, not special, nothing, so why not
enjoy it how he wanted.
=============================There are two converted C1's local... and I looked at few converted
C2's at Carlisle this weekend and to tell you the truth I LOVE these
things.... IMHO best of both worlds as far as Driving goes... Great
looks with modern comfort and relaiability...
BTW... The new ZO6 looks a hell of a lot better up close and personal
then any of the pictures I have seen.... those rear fender flares when
viewed from the front of the car just knocked my socks off... car
really has a "Bad Ass" look...
64 & 72 Rag Tops
76 79 & 95 Coupes
Did not find a "green" (wife wants a green one) C5 6 sp Z06 or Ragtop
to buy.at Carlisle.so still looking...
My basic feeling has always been this:
Those that survived, preserve.
Those that are special, preserve or restore.
Those that have not or are not, enjoy however you want.
I hate to hear of the 1963 xxxxx that sat in Grandpa's garage since 1978 and
is perfect except for 25 years of dust and dry-rotted tires and someone
decides to tub the rear end and add hydraulics, etc.
There are enough copies of any car out there, if you want to rebuild and
redesign your own car, take the one that needs new fenders or someone had
yanked the engine already or whatever.
And as sacrilegious as it seem on this group, not every old Corvette is
worth restoring. But taking an unrestored survivor with the original engine
and ripping it apart to stick in a 406 or a 502, a C4 or C5 suspension,
well, that just really hurts.
Take the one that has no drivetrain, has the rusted out frame, has the NOM
or no engine.
I have often thought hard about in a few years, finding a '63 Corvette with
the rusted out frame, dropping it on a mid '70s automatic frame, slide a 383
or an old 302 in it, stick in a six speed, and then have a fast, economical
classic daily ride.
I do not know about the frame but "Corvette Country" in Fayetteville
Georgia has done more of this type of stuff than you can imagine.
there work is something that has to be seen to be belived, I do not
impress easily, but I am impressed every time I go in there.
On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 12:54:23 -0700, Oscar Erickson
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