July issue Car & Driver, Ethanol

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I don't know for sure, but it seems to me that we will have to turn ALL the arable areas of the US into sugar cane and wheat or whatever if we are to provide enough Ethanol to replace Gasoline and Diesel. So far
corn based Ethanol cost enough to produce (per BTU) that without heavy subsidies from State and Federal Governments and Loan Guarantees to the Farmer based co-op that are building many of them - price alone would keep Ethanol off the market.
I am not against alternate energy sources and the one we are not using that we should be is Nucular Power Generation.
Ed
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EO wrote:

his car on french fry oil" because somebody puts free veg oil from the McDonald's he owns into his diesel. If you have your own McDonalds that's great, but if everybody did it, it wouldn't be "free". After 100+ years of development the internal combustion gas engine is a tremendously sophisticated powerplant and will not be soon replaced. The world runs on oil, not because of big oil companies, but because it is the most economical energy source.
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Until it is gone or the pull starts cut us off. Coasty
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Coasty wrote:

alone has many, many times the oil in the Middle East trapped in shale deposits out west. With the demand from China and the far east, the price of oil is rising to a level that will make extraction profitable.
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Gee, you're not talking out of your hat again, are you?
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Actually the methodology and test plants are years old and proven - what keeps it from happening is the price and that may be fast disappearing as a hold up. I would not be surprised that at the current prices - oil from shale would be cheaper to produce that Ethanol - problem is it would all have to start from scratch as there is no operating industry.
Try - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_shale
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EO wrote:

to provide the steam for injection into the shale deposits for the oil recovery. Unfortunately, while the world actively pursues new reactor technology (from GE and Westinhouse no less) the twit brigade hog ties us.
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snipped-for-privacy@nospam.com says...

ask. Why not use all the disapated heat from power plants (Nuke and Steam) to ferment and distill alcohol and squeeze bio-mass into corn, soy and peanut oil? My 1965 USAF M35a1 6X6 would run on diesel, Jp-4 or peanut oil.
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Erroneous Maximus wrote:

You should read that article in C & D. Ethanol plants "are springing up everywhere" is because they are mandated by the Federal gov. By 2012 production is supposed to double. Even at that, ethanol will be a TINY portion of our energy supply. Don't forget, all things being equal, you need 30% MORE ethanol than gasoline just to break even. Ethanol even now is increasing in price. And the stories about "he runs his car on french fry oil" are always about somebody who hasd the local McDonalds give him their expended oil. Attempting to create an infrastructure to produce it for mass consumption is another story.
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