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jmc posted on September 2, 2010, 6:32 pm
While The Truck was grand on our long cross country journey - we hauled
a smallish trailer 2,000 miles then of course had to drive back (sans
trailer) - it's developing a new annoyance.
Slow leak in one tire. Maybe a pound or two every two days. I'm in
training and unable to get it fixed for a couple of weeks, was thinking
of putting some green sealant slime in it for now...
The question is - how much does that mess up future work on the tire? I
suspect it might be the wheel, as there are other symptoms: Could be me
as it's fairly faint, but I think there's a shudder at 60mph. There's
definitely a shudder on braking, and I've had two different shops tell
my my braking system is fine. The shudder happens on medium pressure,
and fades to a very warp-like "wave" as the truck stops.
Other ideas for the braking shudder are welcome...
As I said, the truck was awesome for the trip. The new PCM, installed
days before, has been fine. Gas mileage sucked for that first week even
without the trailer (16mpg), then gradually increased to about 15mpg
average with the trailer - this even over mountains - and we managed to
get almost 24mpg on one leg coming home (overall average with no tow was
21mpg). This was the first time we'd towed *anything* with the truck in
all the 9 years I've owned it.
Even did some reasonably serious 4x4'ing while on vacation, which was fun!
So anyway.. slime? wheel? braking shudder?
jmc
Roy posted on
Re: Opinions on tire slime?
Hopefully it is a course on distributing the CCC's
I've heard that the tire repair folks are not that happy to run into it. But
have no first hand experience with it.
PeterD posted on
Re: Opinions on tire slime?
wrote:
I've used it in tractor tires, and lawn equipment tires, never a truck
tire. Not too much of a mess, but does have to be cleaned up
eventually when you change the tire...
Steve B posted on
Re: Opinions on tire slime?
I've used it for all types of vehicles. First thing is to have the tire
broken down, cleaned, rim cleaned, remounted, and see if that fixes it.
Slime is meant as a preventative, and not as a fixit. It's just to help
with small leaks, and not big ones. But it does help. It's better to just
get the tire fixed. I had an ATV tire that I put air into for SIX YEARS!
They run at such low pressures, I could air it up, and it was good for a
week. Finally, it started leaking faster, so I took it in. It was the
valve stem. My local store is great, and they fixed it FOR FREE. Was I
stupid to wait for six years or what? (yes) I like it because it gives me
a little extra if I do get a small leak, but as any truck owner knows, it's
good to keep track of those tires, keep them properly inflated, and if one
is acting up, find out why instead of waiting till your doing 75 on the
Interstate. If they're working right, they don't leak at all.
MHO, YMMV.
Steve
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FMB posted on
Re: Opinions on tire slime?
So how much will filling the tire with nitrogen instead of regular air (~78%
N2) affect the leak. Is the leak small enough that the larger N2 molecules
won't pass through? Is it worth the $5-10, or whatever small dollar amount
it is, to test it? I'm asking because I don't honestly know.
Hmmm.... just putting the N2 percentage up there, makes me think that if the
O2 leaks out and the tire is flat, the N2 probably leaked out too. Duh.....
sorry,
FMB
(North Mexico)
mr burns posted on
Re: Opinions on tire slime?
No effect. Nitrogen is a marketing ploy to increase profits and offers
absolutely no advantage for street tires.
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2694/is-it-better-to-fill-your-tires-with-nitrogen-instead-of-air
Tells the whole story. Fine if you are driving in a nascar race,
totally bogus to sell it for street use.
<g>
Re: Opinions on tire slime?
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2694/is-it-better-to-fill-your-tires-with-nitrogen-instead-of-air
Thanks. I had never heard a comparison, or a good impartial analysis of N2
vs compressed air. Knowing what I know about gases, there IS slight
differences in some ways, but not really related a whole lot to tires, tire
pressure, or driving. It would be costly, one would have to buy a $300 tank
and regulator then have the tank filled occasionally for about $100, and be
able to find a nitrogen fill station in a hurry when one had a leak.
Steve
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Mike Simmons posted on
Re: Opinions on tire slime?
Amen!! Go to the head of the class!
Mike
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2694/is-it-better-to-fill-your-tires-with-nitrogen-instead-of-air
Re: Opinions on tire slime?
Well, say the 'smaller' O atoms were leaking out, then you're going to
have a tire filled with basically pure nitrogen. Replenish the air,
and again the O leaks out. Continue and you have a free nitrogen
fillup! <RBG>
Actually all 'free' oxygen is paired (o2) which affects this
filter/loss factor.
(sorry, could not resist! <BSEG> )
Re: Opinions on tire slime?
In the periodic chart, the molecular weights are
N 7
O 8
CO2 22
The "rare" gases that make up .03% of the mix are heavy, but really not
measurable.
So, the nitrogen molecule is actually the smallest, and would leak out
faster than the O2. But the size of the hole would be like comparing how
hard it is for a chicken versus a mouse versus a turkey versus a horse
versus a pig to escape through a fully open barn door. The hole is going to
be infinitely larger than any of the molecules.
Steve
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Beryl posted on
Re: Opinions on tire slime?
Steve B wrote:
Those are Atomic Numbers.
Except the CO2, for which you added the Atomic Numbers of a C and two Os
to arrive at "22" which means nothing.
Ah, their benefits are immeasurable!
Nitrogen is bigger. Atoms actually can become smaller and smaller as the
atomic number increases. More protons, more electrons, more binding
force --> more densely compacted atom... until the outer shell becomes
filled, and another is needed for the next electron. Then, <poof>, it's
bigger.
Maybe there's no hole. Rubber is permeable.
"It is often mistakenly assumed that "molecular size" correlates
directly with "molecular weight". O2 does have a greater
molecular weight (32) than N2 (28), but O2 is actually smaller in size.
Thus, O2 fits through the relatively tight passage
ways between polymer chains in the rubber more easily than does N2."
Re: Opinions on tire slime?
It's all the same. Gas in a pressurized container. Compromise the seal,
and the gas goes out the compromise. I have heard a lot of people who swear
by nitrogen. You'd have to own a tank, or pay what the man wants to keep
your tires at 100%, and not every town has a tire store that uses nitrogen.
So, if you add ANY air, you've changed the mixture.
Steve
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Re: Opinions on tire slime?
Slow leak in one tire. Maybe a pound or two every two days. I'm in
Thanks. I do plan to have the tire fixed, but cannot until training is
completed, and I'm getting tired (excuse the pun) of filling that tire
every few days... I'll slime it and hope it'll hold until I can get it
fixed properly.
jmc
Big Red Truck posted on
Re: Opinions on tire slime?
On 09/03/2010 01:40 PM, jmc wrote:
I put slime into my yard tractor tire, and it only slowed the leaking
rim bead so instead of being flat after two days, it went flat in three
days.
When I broke down the bead, and wire brushed both sides, wiped them down
with soapy water, and filled the tire with air, it has lasted over a
year, so far!
Slime sucks and is too gooey for me to ever consider again, being that
putting it in took longer than the entire break down and clean up of the
bead!
Just like other tire sealants, they work for tiny teensy leaks, for a
short time. A real repair takes 15 minutes, and lasts the life of the tire.
Nza posted on
Re: Opinions on tire slime?
How old are your tires? The braking shudder could be your tires. I
have experienced it on three separate vehicles that when the tires
were worn to a certain point, they started to make it feel like the
brakes were warped. After replacement of bunk sets of tires on two
cars, the problem disappeared.
I had a tire fail internally after emergency stopping in traffic.. I
thought the axle was bent... driving along I felt a "whomp whomp
whomp"... after I looked at the tire, it was obvious what happened
(belts broke inside and tread had a cartoon-like bulge in it).
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