Nope.... one famous story was of a jewelery store owner applying for a carry permit because he was carrying large amounts of cash to the bank. The judge told him he should hire private security. The owner pointed out that that would cost him almost his entire annual profits. The judge told him he should move.
I have no problems with requiring a background check. I have no problems with requiring training. I have a big problem with allowing arbitrary discretion, thereby creating an "elite" class of citizens.
Imagine if the same type of discretion were given to the issuance of a driver's license (something NOT specifically addressed in the Constitution)... "no, I'm sorry Mr. Smith - we just don't feel you've provided a justifiable need to operate a motor vehicle. There's plenty of public transportation options available to you". There would be an incredible outrage. But - take a right that the USC says "shall not be infringed", and infringe the hell out of it... not too many people seem to care.
Land of the Free.... who in the hell are we kidding?
Kinda hard to answer that. Lower than where? And lower than when? Where I live the population density is extremely low and we are relatively remote. But we have our share of low-lifes and tweakers in the woods. The closest law enforcement on a good day is at least
10 miles away. So, as far as my own property and my immediate area is concerned, the crime rate is zero. In part, I suspect, due to the fact that out here most everybody's strapped. And everybody knows it.Wolfie
I was referring specifically to handguns. I should have been clearer.
Trying to remember from when I was there ... you have to file a request for a permit to purchase. The area I was in, for a short time was Princeton. First off, finding a gun shop was a challenge. Then finding a gun shop with guns that were worth buying was even more difficult. I never filed my permit to purchase as I ended up back in Texas. My then boss, told me to move to PA if owning or carrying a gun was important to me. He had been waiting for over two months for his permit to buy. Last I talked to him, he never received his permit to buy.
I already had a carry permit from Texas ... which meant absolutely nothing to anyone in NJ. I was told that I could apply for a NJ HL, but that I would have to register my guns and supply a "need".
Do certain counties in NJ "add-on" to the state law?
Craig C.
Certain police departments do, yes. By law, handgun purchase permits must be approved in 30 days (45 days for non-resident), unless a specific reason exists for their denial. However, when that was challenged in court, the court ruled that the need to ensure the person was not prohibited was more important than meeting the statutory timeframe, and basically said the investigating dept. could take as long as they needed to verify a person's eligibility. The court was specifically referring to the time it took to get fingerprint checks back from the FBI, but of course their ruling got interpreted much broader than that.
My first set of permits, along with an FID card, took about 110 days (excuse used was 'prints not back from FBI yet'). My second set of permits took about 60 days (excuse here was 'county mental health check not completed yet' [insert your own comments here]). The clock's running on this current set... we'll see how long it takes this time around.
Boy - can't wait for the 'one handgun a month law' to get passed here (it's coming like a freight train)... I can almost guarantee that we'll then be restricted to applying for one purchase permit at a time - which will effectively turn it into a 'one handgun a quarter' law. Because, as we all know.... the criminals who are commiting all these homicides with handguns apply at their local PD to purchase them from a licensed dealer. And the fact that EVERY handgun purchased that way is registered with both the local PD and the state, as to make/model/caliber/serial # - AND every private person-to-person transfer is subsequently recorded in the exact same manner... making it IMPOSSIBLE (need a roll-eyes emoticon here) to trace a recovered handgun to it's last known owner....
But hey... it's all for the children.
I like AZ man (who wouldn't) They will honor ANY states issued and valid CCW permit.
Thank you. Perhaps I should have been clearer. It is my experience that there are some states in which the required permits allowing the legal concealed carrying of firearms are extremely difficult, if not impossible for average citizens to obtain. These states are not called "right to carry" states. I see that someone has already provided a link to the organization through which you can determine which states these are. When I obtained my ccw in California in the
80's it was at the discretion of the county sherrif, 'though the permits were honored state-wide. But there had to be compelling reason for issue. In Oregon it is up to the sheriff to disallow those unqualified due to specific reasons from the right to carry concealed. These are usually the same people who don't have the right to gun ownership in the first place, due usually to felony convictions or mental capacity issues. Otherwise, there are no arbitrary grounds for which the sheriff can prohibit the issuing of ccw's. Thus the "right to carry" term. Like...tell someone in NYC they have the right to carry. ;-]Wolfie
Though I did not read them all, it appears that AZ might be the easiest state. Open carry state, no permit required to carry, as long as a part of the weapon/holster is visable it is not consealed. CCW course is 8 hours, about 65 bucks for it, pass the test and get permit for 5 years.
" I like AZ man (who wouldn't) "
I dunno, man, Gila Bend in August is a touch arid. But I DO admire their reciprocity.
Wolfie
Yeah, you have a point there.
People who like temps less than 125.
:-) Craig C.
Nope... Vermont, and now more recently, Alaska. No permit for CCW required. As long as you can legally possess, you can legally carry.
I haven't heard them say one way or another. It appears the off duty cop pinned the gunman into one part of the mall preventing the gunman from moving around and killing more. The gunman wasn't shot until other police arrived.
The problem is that restrictions on Concealed Pistol Permits don't stop idiots from getting or carrying handguns. The laws only affect those who choose to obey them. I see many such idiots every day, as I work in a prison. Laws and police are mainly reactive rather than proactive. They clean up messes and put perpetrators in the system.
Consider this point, that "pistol-free zones" tell criminals that their odds of having armed resistance is much lower if they do their criminal acts in such zones (or states).
Ken
That's why you live near the mexican boarder man, it's cooler and you have hunt 'cans! LOL
People outside AZ don't realize how much the climate varies around the state. A couple weeks ago it was 15F below zero in Flagstaff.
Very good point.
Roy
That is good within those states but, not good if you travel in states that would otherwise have reciprocity with their CCW. IOW, your permit - or lack of one - is worthless anywhere else.
Of course - I thought we were talking about which state made it easiest to CCW in.
For someone who travels, it is much easier to have a permit from a state with reciprocity that gives you the freedom to legally carry elsewhere. Of course, if you never leave town, the easiest is no requirement. Personally, I don't think there should be any restriction on a law abiding person of age in any jurisdiction who has never been convicted of nor is under official investigation or indictment for a forcible or violent felony charge.
Regards
Lugnut
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