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are these still commercially available ready to bolt up or do i have to make my own? thanks, Nathan In Montana http://ConcealedCarryForum.com

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www.genosgarage.com has them.
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thanks much. ive since decided to order the banks monster exhaust which has its own bypass pipe. Nathan In Montana http://ConcealedCarryForum.com
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Nathan W. Collier wrote:

I wonder how they can legally sell those when the converter is a federal emissions item? IE: Illegal to remove it.
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Same way you can legally own a full auto parts kit for an AR or AK47. Owning is one thing, using is another.
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RM v2.0 wrote:

Actually it isn't the same. Yes you can own the pipe BUT using it is a federal offense if the vehicle came with a converter.
It IS a federal offense to simply OWN the parts that make a full auto firearm, UNLESS you have a class 3 FFL and have the paperwork as well, then you can own the full auto firearm itself. The ONLY part of the full auto M-16 that is controlled and is considered to BE the full auto part is the auto sear itself.
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Well, yes, and no. Remember that the ATF can pretty much make up the rules as they go. Case in point is US v. Olofson, where the defendant was convicted of illegal transfer of a machine gun - said "machine gun" consisting of an AR-15 with an M16 hammer, trigger, disconnector, and selector - according to the ATF. No auto sear, but still a machine gun because they got it to hammer-follow.

No, you don't need to be a SOT (no such thing as a class 3 FFL) to own a full-auto firearm. You simply have to complete an ATF Form 4, get a background check, and pay your $200 tax. Of course, you have to live in a state that allows such possession, as well.
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Tom Lawrence wrote:

TRUE, I think it comes down to what the particular agent "feels the law means" at any given moment.

Most certainly is a class three FFL, Its a Title 1 tag with a Class three tax stamp. Allows the holder to sell NFA restricted firearms. AKA Automatic Weapons and other restricted sales toys.
Makes ownership of any of the fun stuff MUCH easier, but it isn't cheap!!!
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Well, this is mostly semantics, but the "Class 1, Class 2, Class 3" are classes of Special Occupational Taxpayer (SOT) status. This is completely SEPARATE from a Federal Firearms License. To deal in Title 2 firearms, one must be a Class 3 SOT, as well as possess a Type 1 FFL - as Title 2 firearms (regulated by NFA '34) are also covered by regulations of Title 1 firearms (GCA '68). Class 3 SOT's can possess NFA items without paying the tax, but require an 01 FFL to transfer (sell) them.
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Right. That rifle went full auto several times before he got arrested.

The other thing to look at is if you own an ar or the parts to make one, the batf will assume that if you also own the full auto sear you will put the pieces together to make the ar full auto. Simple possesion of the full auto sear is not good unless you have the paperwork for it.
If someone ever even tried to give me an auto sear I'd turn and run...
Denny
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It wouldn't do any good, trhey would just aim at your furry white tail.
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Wow.... if Roy can't hit this softball out of the park.... :)
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Nah, Tom it was just to friggin' easy!! Comes a time when ya have to show some compassion to ol' wide ride.
But damn!! Can ya just picture that fat ass rumbleing down the street
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BK, Tom and ole Roy....
I gave ya'll a couple of days to play with this and nothing....not a damned thing. Senility and old age setting in????
I'm disappointed........
Denny
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BK, Tom and ole Roy....
I gave ya'll a couple of days to play with this and nothing....not a damned thing. Senility and old age setting in????
I'm disappointed........
You just can't be pleased. Ya bitch 'cause you think you get picked on. Then when folks let a golden opertunity go by ya bitch anyway.
Nobody made a remark about regarding your daughter out shooting your fat ass.
Jodi didn't mention cookies or the fact that you'll never see any.
Nobody said anything about you being tied up with "the machine"
Your neighbor and new "best friend" sno fool wasn't tied to you. Although you've probably tied each other up.
There was no cheap shot about WC or sliders. Your gormet food
There was no mention about a full auto and a fat guy in a pink rabbit suit.
Hell nobody said a thing about carrots!
Still ya bitch and moan. I don't get it. Must be a Budd rule.
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Roy
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Damn..... You must have had to stand up to think all that up. I feel special now.. <G>
Denny
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Wrong, you can have the parts, even order them online except for the sear/receiver. Using it is where the trouble lies. Kinda similar to owning a piece of pipe or a plain washer but if you call it a silencer part then it is NFA.
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the bypass pipe is included with the kit "for off road use only". :-)
Nathan In Montana http://ConcealedCarryForum.com
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Nathan W. Collier wrote:

Get caught with it on the street and Good luck. OH and guess what happens if you take it to a shop for inspection with that pipe on there...
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Your state would have to have inspections! I ran without a cat on a Ford pick up for about 10 years. It was missing when I bought it, and I never had one put on. It went through a couple muffler shops the mentioned it was missing and "needed" to be put on, and I just always told them I would think about it. We do not have vehicle inspections here in ND, and I think Nate is pretty safe on MT also. Greg
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