Dodge Ram 1500 - 2 or 4 wheel drive

ok, i will.

Did it ever dawn on you that having owned and driven the cars you listed that I might just know how to drive at the limit of the capabilities of each one? Don't you think that it might transfer over to plowing snow and thus the limit of the tires as well? Nah, probably didn't. Here's a clue for you, that's why I advocate the Blizzak. They work.

Anyway this thing is real stale. Like I said go by a set you 'll love them

See that is where we are different I work my way up to finding the limits of the car. You on the other hand seem to just stand on the gas. Glad you didn't injury anybody.

Where did I say that you didn't. It still doesn't change the fact that for you, the reduced traction with studded snows will seem dangerous because you push your vehicles as you put it, to their limits and the reduced traction in that case will be significant.

I never said that they didn't.

I have owned them in the past and also never had any real trouble with them either although I really don't see any need to own another set. Perhaps your driving skills aren't all that you think that they are if they gave you so much trouble.

Yawn, I had owned the car for years and knew what its limits were. What I didn't know was how much less grip the ST's had compared to the GT's but I keep the car somewhat under control and that never happened again.

As usual, resorting to lame insults. I guess that I really shouldn't expect any more than that when someone disagrees with you.

Ah Tom, you don't push to limits when driving a plow truck.

No Tom they didn't give me trouble, just that they were dangerous on wet and dry pavement. Trust me, my driving skills are just fine although I do temper things as I get older.

WTF! Where is the insult? Lame or otherwise? I said you seemed to stand on the gas with out knowing the cars limits. The tires you put on became part of the car and you hammered it before you knew where the tires would lose grip. I didn't say you were stupid, I just said you seemed to stand on the gas.

I have lived in S. Oregon for 43 years and ice is not a problem here. In the mountain passes I have used chains on a two wheel drive on occasion. The Columbia River gorge, high desert area, or Pendelton area may have the ice problem you describe. Just how long have you lived out "here in Oregon"? The majority of Orgonians do not need or use studded tires. In case you didn't notice, this is a very large state. Heck, I'll bet they don't need them on the 300 miles of coastline, either. My original comments were in reference to people running studded tires in area where there is absolutely no need for them. If traveling to an area where they are needed, take chains and quit chewing up the roads.

more than 43 years.

actually, you would be very wrong on that. the use of stidded tires has been so prevelant that the state isoutlawing metal studs due to the damage that they are causing to the road surface. now that is a whole lot of studs man. look at the schwab stories, the big o stories, etc., etc. the banning of metal studs is really going to hurt them, they were the bulk of their winter sales.

oregon isn't that big. a whole lot out west and midwest are larger.

iyo.

oh good bill. you bet, use chains and quit chewing up the roads with studs. are you tbones brother or something? or maybe his mother?

niped for miles.

yeah tom. once again, you sure don't do the fast shoe do you? lol. you would make a great democrat. oh wait. you are one.

Show me exactly where I said that they don't work and don't worry, I'll wait.

as long as i've waited to find out how old you are?

Good for you. Oh, by the way, your quote of me, "here in Oregon", didn't appear in my original post. On par with your accuracy.

The majority of Orgonians live in the Willamette Valley, which includes Portland, Salem and Eugene. I seriously doubt if most of the people there run studded tires. In Southern Oregon, it is probably less than 5 percent. Contrary to your belief, it doesn't take a whole lot of studded tires to tear up roads, especially at highway speeds. Ever notice how they scratch up a driveway? You are exagerating here.

A whole lot? Some, but not a whole lot. But how does that change anything?

You have no real argument, so you turn to insults. People only drive a short distance with chains on, as opposed to 4 to 5 months with studded tires. Huh, think that may add up to more damage to the road surface?

This discussion with you is going nowhere, so "whatever".

A little sensitive here aren't we Tom? I would like to know where Roy insulted you too? FYI you are not one to talk about how things go when some one disagrees with you. You are preaching but not living by what you preach, starting to sound sort of like Budd did.

as well as a host of other towns but thanks for that lttle tid bit of information.

i haven't. i don't use studs on my personal car.

5%. where did you get your stats? you just know because you been here for 43 years?

you dumb f*ck. you are the one that brought it up, not me.

yep. whatever.

good analogy.

As I thought, unable to back up your own bullshit. You would make a great Republican, oh wait, you are one.

can't even be original, can you tom?