I am not sure who is in the right here. IH used to make some of the finest deisels out there and the 7.3 was great motor but the 6.0 caused Ford a lot of grief and tarnished their reputation. They both have issues that are going to take some time to sort out in court and in the mean time Ford saves so working cash while this is being resolved. The 6.0 should have never been made I think.
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On Mon, 07 May 2007 05:14:32 +0000, Max Dodge rebooted the Etch-A-Sketch and scribbled:
You know, I wouldn't be suprised if Toyota hasn't been talking to Navistar hoping to get them to place either the 6.4 or a newer engine in the Tundra if they break off with Ford.
As I understand the situation, the vast majority of the 6.0L problems have nothing to do with Navistar's basic engine. It's the Ford specified modifications, including the variable vane turbo that is crashing.
The Navistar version of the engine has been around for a while and is a "non-event" engine, meaning no significant problems.
Eisboch
The bigger problem is injector troubles, they leak and dilute the crankcase oil. There has been a lot of blown engines over this. I heard of one blown form this when it was 3 weeks old.
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Gentlemen, I am happily subscribed to the Chevy truck groups. I care not a wit what Ford, Dodge, or Toyota did or does with or to their trucks. Please refrain from cross-posting to the Chevy Truck groups. Thanks Regards, JR
I do know that Ford raise the standard for the acceptable level of fuel in oil from the industry standard of about 2% to about 9% on the
6.0 because of leaky injectors. I do not know if this was Fords or Internationals idea----------------- TheSnoMan.com
If there is a question, as you state, then its not as cut and dried as you previously claimed.
Exactly, so its not like you claimed at all in your previous post.
Navistar certainly should be able to prove it, given that they likely had a Ford on site to figure out the warranty problems.
Navistar seems to feel that Ford was restricted in its timetable. I'm certain Ford will claim exactly what you say. However, if the contract contains a clause prohibiting engine development, then its open to interpretation.
Not at all. Ford certainly will do what it feels it has to in order to protect itself. Problem is, what will the contract dictate? As to Navistar, they must have something, or the dollar figure wouldn't be that high.
Navistar's name is all over the thing, so Navistar has a vested interest in keeping their name clear. The name is long recognized as big in the heavy equipment sector. As such, Ford's rep isn't the only thing that made the F250/350 a popular product.
Much as you and I know it, many people prefer a V8, or simply don't know enough, to know which engine is better.
Right..... hence the lawsuit by Navistar, since they depend on their name and rep to promote engines, not just trucks.
Exactly.... all the while taking a hit on the legal fees until its settled.
Last I heard, Toyota wasn't yet covering their investment on the new plant in Texas.
What you aren't seeing is that a company can scale back on expenditure to accomodate a market shift. In a direct loss, such as the lawsuit would bring, its a drain without any means to compensate for the loss.
See above. Market shift and legal loss are totally different in the type of loss incurred.
Then my suggestion would be not to read it or are you the new use net nanny?
On Mon, 07 May 2007 21:32:20 +0000, JR rebooted the Etch-A-Sketch and scribbled:
...then don't read posts with the term, "ford is nervous."
Oh, and please stop top posting. Though you may be using an inferior newsreader on an inferior operating system, you can at least attempt to be polite and bottom post.
One more thing - two dashes with a space afterwards will work better than a commma for allowing newsreaders - even in Wintendo - to strip your signature properly.
HTH!
HAND
Sorry about that. As one who also is occasionally annoyed by crossposting, I should know better. I simply didn't read the headers.
Eisboch
isnt that the truth! i wouldnt watch tv without it.
That would make sense for a number of reasons. Only argument against that would be the fact that Isuzu is the worlds leader in automotive diesels.
Sir,
Please refrain from opening posts and threads you care not a wit about, it makes your life easier.
Thank you Eisboch.
I don't read the posts with the term "Ford is nervous". However I do have to mark them as read or delete them to make them disappear.
As a self appointed sophisticate of Usenet, you should well know that top or bottom posting is up to the individual. There is no convention, only preference. Regards coma JR
JR wrote: > I don't read the posts with the term "Ford is nervous". > However I do have to mark them as read or delete them to make them > disappear.
Each post needs it? I can mark a thread "Ignore Thread" and it's done.
See "2.3 Why should I place my response below the quoted text?"
On Tue, 08 May 2007 02:26:53 +0000, Max Dodge rebooted the Etch-A-Sketch and scribbled:
Well, don't they use Duramax diesel? If toyota were to work with them, It would be like some other automakers utilizing Toyota's hybrid system....
..oh, wait...
I went to IH training school last summer. they claimed then that the
6.0 is being phazed out for the problems they have had with it. they also said they would be replacing the 6.0 with a V6 diesel which they have been stuffing under the cab of those new cabovers they're building and also rebaging for Ford.
the only engine IH EVER made that was worth its grit was the DT466 and DT530. The DT570 just recently came out and wasn't without its own share of problems. I've relplaced dozens of egr coolers on them. The
6.9 was a boat anchor and the 7.3 wasn't much better except it has a turbo.All V configuration diesels are JUNK... take note of the fact that over the road big trucks use inline engines and not V8s.
a little over two years ago I was employed by Ford, then they sold the truck leasing division I was employed with and left all of us high and dry and sold out to another truck leasing company. My retirement funds went out the window with the sale of the leasing company. I hope Ford motors falls off the face of the planet and is buried under a heap of its own overrated cheap ass trucks.
the 6.0 is an injector eating boat mooring.
Ford may have made some adjustments to the software or hardware that controls the vgt. jacking around with only effects the performance of the engine. The variable geometry part of the turbo isn't all THAT complicated since all they are doing is varing the amount of boost it can supply to the intake so it doesn't overcome the flow of exhaust from the egr side. it's no more complicated than opening or closing the vents on your dashboard to restrict the flow of air out of them.
I've seen these engines come into my shop for a routine service, and leave the shop misfiring. bad injectors have been a chronic problem with the engine.
the engine started showing up in Fords almost as fast as they cooled off the first block casting for the first engines.
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