What I find amusing tho' is that our friends on the left are wanting to
stifle debate on the subject. Aren't they always the ones who bitch the
loudest about inclusion, etc.? 'Guess that only applies if you agree with
No that is not true. There have been numerous years where Western/Upstate NY
has not seen a lake effect storm. Oh, as I am sure you will want to prove
me wrong, for your edification, I was born and raised in Buffalo, my entire
family still resides there, my son and biotch of an ex-wife still reside
there, and I am there just about every year for the holidays.
No TBone. It is you who were proven wrong. You tried to claim the lack
of ice is why its been snowing. When you realized you were wrong you
then claimed warmer water temps. How about looking some of this info up
before you make more bonehead claims.
Temperatures are fairly repeatable from year to year but you already
knew that right? Oh wait, no you didn't since you failed to look at
NOAA's recorded readings. Now you claim they are meaningless anyways.
Good grief do you run all over the place!! The variance is very low.
Lake Erie is quite another story where temps vary widely from year to
year. You do know why that is right?
You eastern flatlanders have no clue as to what a heavy snowfall is. 9
feet is a lot for a couple day period but is quite common in California,
Colorado and elsewhere in the west. No big deal.
Which is the first bit of evidence that things are changing. Did you look
at the air temp readings in relation to the water temp readings over time?
Did you look at the air temp readings for the few times that it did freeze
Data taken out of contex or data missing key pieces is worthless but you
knew that, right????
That's not what I said but I am used to your lame spin. What I said was
that the data is meaningless unless ALL of the revelant data is taken into
account which as usual, you didn't do.
What variance Miles???? The water temp or the air temp or both???
What exactly does that have to do with this? Oh, that's right, not a damn
Once again, you resort to meaningless data and smoke and mirrors.
If at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving
Hey there bubba, I resent that! I am one of those "eastern flatlanders" and
I can tell you that 110" + over the course of a week is a lot of damn
snow,ANY where. Hell it might have just set a new Guinness Record. What you
don't know (obviously) is that over the course of a typical Western/Upstate
NY winter, specifically around Lake O where it does not freeze over, to have
that much snow over the course of the winter is NOT uncommon. Let me go
back a few years to 01-02 when Buffalo got 84" over a 36 (IIRC) hour period,
I would like to see your proof as to where in Cali or Colo that they get 9'
of snow? Don't say in the mountains because if you do, you are comparing
apples to Dolly Parton, because now you would be throwing in a variable that
would be IMPOSSIBLE to duplicate.
So it has to be low lying cities only or the heavy snows don't count?
Almost all of the cities that get snow in CA or CO ARE in the mountains.
It doesn't snow much in the deserts! Ok, compare the eastern mountain
towns. No comparison to the west there either. Hell, even Flagstaff,
AZ. averages more snow than Buffalo, NY.
First, I doubt seriously that Flagstaff averages more sound per year
then Buffalo. If you have something that proves it, please post it.
Second, how can you legitimately compare snow levels of mountains that
sit at 12k or higher in some cases to areas that sit only a few K
above sea level? But lets talk about it, after doing some quick
searching on the web, I have not found one city, including Denver that
has reported that much snow over a winter.
Lets continue to talk about High cities, if they get that kind of snow
that you claim they do, why is it that they have to completely shut
down, like Denver has had to do this year? They only had a few feet,
over generally the same amount of time as what has hit NY, yet, NY
hasn't shut down like Denver has.
Want to know why? Becuase NY is used to getting snow like that ALL
the time and is ALWAYS prepared for it. Areas like you mention DO NOT
get snow like that and when they do get hit with a bad storm it is
ALWAYS a problem.
Few people realize that AZ gets more snow than most eastern cities.
Furthermore, cities in eastern AZ get significantly more than Flagstaff.
Per NOAA Flagstaff 100.3", Buffalo 93.6"
Who said anything about 12K? None the less the western cities that get
yearly snow ARE in the mountains.
Denver did not shut down. The airport did. Eastern cities come to a
halt with little more than a foot or two of snow. DC is a classic example.
What??? The airports in the NY area were shutdown. The reason Denver's
airport shutdown became national news is because it was over a holiday
high traffic period and Denver is a major hub airport.
They do not. Buffalo and vicinity averages only 93" over an entire
winter season. They are not used to 9 feet in a couple day period at all.
Oh, here we go, extracted from http://lwf.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate /
DATA THROUGH 2002
YRS JAN FEB MAR APR MAY
JUN JUL AUG SEP OCT NOV DEC ANN
FLAGSTAFF, AZ 44 20.4 18.4 22.0 9.9
1.7 T T 0.0 0.1 2.0 9.9
DENVER, CO 61 8.1 7.5 12.5 8.9
1.6 0.0 T T 1.6 3.7 9.1
BUFFALO, NY 59 24.0 17.7 12.5 3.2
0.2 T T T T 0.3 11.4
Ironically enough, here are two that blow your claims to snow levels
out of the water, though they also make NY look weak too.
VALDEZ, AK 31 66.3 58.4 52.3 22.5
2.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.4 12.1 39.6 72.4 326.0
YAKUTAT, AK 54 37.6 37.7 36.3 16.4
1.5 T 0.0 T T 5.6 22.0 38.2 195.3
Note that Flagstaff averages more snow than Denver or Buffalo. Yes I
know about Valdez as my brother lives there and has a snowcat to get
In California places like Twin Lakes, Soda Springs, and Mammoth Lakes
all average over 400" a year.
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