Your consent? Your consent isn't needed for someone to avail themselves of
their rights. Unless you're from one of the few states that refuses to
recognize these rights, you've been in close proximity to more people than
you know with a concealed weapon - and none of them needed your "consent" to
Then the VT gunman, who purchased his gun legally, was exercising his
right to bring his gun on campus. Got it.
Rights granted by states, and the U.S. Constitution, are two different
animals. Unless the Constitution says otherwise, I guess your redneck
state gov't can do whatever it wants. I live in a blue state.
Yes, his purchase was legal. His concealed carry of same was NOT legal, as
he did not possess a Virginia Concealed Handgun Permit.
Correct. States should not be allowed to deprive citizens of rights
guaranteed them by the USC. Most states recognize this basic concept.
Sadly, a few do not.
My redneck state.... now that's funny. You are aware that I live in New
Jersey (as I've posted here in this thread numerous times).... a state with
some of the strictest gun control laws in the country, and some of the
highest murder rates per capita of that same country (I know, I can't figure
it out either)?
When I was looking into a permit several years ago I found that plenty of
counties do, but you need to get a permit from each incorporated city in
the county through which you plan to carry, even if you're driving through
on the interstate. The only way to legally transport a gun in California
without a permit is unloaded, in a locked case, not within reach of any of
the vehicles occupants and the ammunition not within the same locked case.
I live in Las Vegas. It is a big megalopolis now, with cities that border
on each other. I am a permitee in Nevada, Utah, and Florida. That allows
me to carry in about 39 states.
However, even here where I live, the laws are different in North Las Vegas,
Henderson, and Boulder City. Every one has its own laws regarding concealed
carry, and they supercede the state law and the regulations under which the
local LVMPD issued the permit.
So, at times even if you are permitted, you can be in violation of lots of
local laws as you drive from town to town and county to county. It is
impossible to know all the laws of all the places you go to at times, such
that is not a good idea at all. in my state, a local jursdiction can
give you more rights than state law, but can not restrict you more
than state law.
i was in parhump nevada a year or two ago for a bit. it seemed that
anyone could pretty much do whatever they wanted to there with guns. i
loved the guy running for sheriff that drove around town with two
cowboy guns on his hips.
i did love the country too. we only had to drive about a mile to find
a safe place to shoot. wide open country. very pretty.
spent some time in north las vegas when i was training out on the
nevada test site. north las vegas just didn't appeal to me.
my trips into las vegas also left me unimpressed. my wife liked it
because she loves to shop and obviously they have a lot of places to
do that. she also liked the local architecture. but for me, vegas
was a bust. i have to admit, i liked parhump. very isolated.
i was trying to think of some way to say "tard" in my post, but it
just didn't work out, but then i think i just did it anyway.
Actually Steve, it is not "impossible" though I will admit it is pretty damn
hard. I had a link to a website that gave ALL the states laws on hand gun
carry. I found it because of the very reason you cited, travel. I used to
drive from AZ to NY annually and wanted to be able to have the pistol with
me, but found that once I crossed into NY, I was screwed as if you don't
have a permit, you can not even transport. I would be happy to find that
site for you if you like.
I think if one doesn't know the laws of the area they're traveling then
they shouldn't travel there, or pack differently. Theres always a few
people that fail to do a little research and take their guns to Mexico
for instance. Bad mistake if you get caught!
I believe you can take a gun to Mexico if you plan to hunt but have to
file for a permit, inspection etc. When I have traveled through Mexico
I have been stopped at remote roadblocks and asked if I had weapons etc.
From what I understand the locals there love these roadblocks around
their cities as they did cut violent crimes. Rough way to cut it
though. I've never had trouble at these roadblocks and traveled through
with ease but they are intimidating, mostly rifle toting military guys.
Strange place but I have to travel there as my folks retired in Mexico.
The statement about state laws not reflecting county laws is not an
accurate statement Steve. As I am pretty familiar with the laws
there, NY for example, the permits are issued via the individual
counties, Niagra or Erie let's say. Though the permit is issued by
say Erie, it is accepted and valid for the entire state as it's a New
York State permit.
Now, I do understand what you are saying and do agree, but I feel it
is rather a blanket statement.
Sure they do Steve, if they know how to use the internet. Just as Tom
L. posted two links there are likely 100's more out there with more
(or less) info. It doesn't take much time to find the info in your
planning stages, IF you want too.
The only thing certain is that every state, county, and municipality has the
right to set its own laws. And then, within that, private properties, such
as businesses, have the right to set theirs, too.
It's a vast conglomeration of rules and laws, and something that even those
who do it full time, such as nra.org and packing.org can't keep up to date
information on. They have disclaimers on their sites that say the
information may not be correct or in force at the time the article was
As you have said, the best thing is to know ahead of time when that is
possible to do. Certainly, if I was to be going out of the US, I would not
be so stupid as not to investigate the laws first. However, even inside the
US, it is a good idea to know first, and a lot of that information can be
gotten in advance. And in those areas where one is in doubt, there's the
old separate the gun and ammo idea. Rules in a lot of states seem to favor
the idea that RVs are mobile houses, and that the homeowners have the right
of self protection as if they were in a stationary house. Some states have
now extended that idea towards motor vehicles provided certain requirements
are met .... like registration, CCF permit ....... and certain things that
pertain to that particular jurisdiction.
It's a big jumble of rules. And making suppositions and assumptions can
cost you a lot if you're wrong.
You got it backwards. State laws often reflect County laws, but only
because *County laws always reflect State laws*. They have to!
A county can't permit something that the state forbids. It can forbid
something that the state permits, but it can't forbid something that the
state guarantees. And a county or state can't forbid something that the
federal gov't guarantees. Authority flows from Federal->State->County in
that order. And I don't exactly see the toothless 2nd Amendment
guaranteeing freedom to carry guns in every county, do you?
Been there done that. Not very difficult to find out what the strictest
laws are for a given state. Thats all you need to know. If you can't
figure it out then leave the gun at home. Ignorance isn't the solution.
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