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The statement about state laws not reflecting county laws is not an accurate statement Steve. As I am pretty familiar with the laws there, NY for example, the permits are issued via the individual counties, Niagra or Erie let's say. Though the permit is issued by say Erie, it is accepted and valid for the entire state as it's a New York State permit.

Now, I do understand what you are saying and do agree, but I feel it is rather a blanket statement.

Sure they do Steve, if they know how to use the internet. Just as Tom L. posted two links there are likely 100's more out there with more (or less) info. It doesn't take much time to find the info in your planning stages, IF you want too.

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Oh yeah, forgot though the statement about changing laws is at least partially correct, I seriously doubt that laws concerning carrying a hand gun change anywhere near that often.

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azwiley1

The only thing certain is that every state, county, and municipality has the right to set its own laws. And then, within that, private properties, such as businesses, have the right to set theirs, too.

It's a vast conglomeration of rules and laws, and something that even those who do it full time, such as nra.org and packing.org can't keep up to date information on. They have disclaimers on their sites that say the information may not be correct or in force at the time the article was posted.

As you have said, the best thing is to know ahead of time when that is possible to do. Certainly, if I was to be going out of the US, I would not be so stupid as not to investigate the laws first. However, even inside the US, it is a good idea to know first, and a lot of that information can be gotten in advance. And in those areas where one is in doubt, there's the old separate the gun and ammo idea. Rules in a lot of states seem to favor the idea that RVs are mobile houses, and that the homeowners have the right of self protection as if they were in a stationary house. Some states have now extended that idea towards motor vehicles provided certain requirements are met .... like registration, CCF permit ....... and certain things that pertain to that particular jurisdiction.

It's a big jumble of rules. And making suppositions and assumptions can cost you a lot if you're wrong.

Steve

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Steve B

You got it backwards. State laws often reflect County laws, but only because *County laws always reflect State laws*. They have to!

A county can't permit something that the state forbids. It can forbid something that the state permits, but it can't forbid something that the state guarantees. And a county or state can't forbid something that the federal gov't guarantees. Authority flows from Federal->State->County in that order. And I don't exactly see the toothless 2nd Amendment guaranteeing freedom to carry guns in every county, do you?

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Beryl

If you are going to pack a gun then yes, you should know the laws regarding guns in vehicles in the states you are traveling through.

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miles

Okay. Do this. Take a 3,000 mile trip. Plan all that out in advance, researching each town, county, and state you will go through. Let us know how long it takes to get ready for the trip.

Steve

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Steve B

Been there done that. Not very difficult to find out what the strictest laws are for a given state. Thats all you need to know. If you can't figure it out then leave the gun at home. Ignorance isn't the solution.

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miles

Steve, I guess you never read anything I have posted. I used to drive from AZ to NY once a year. Total trip distance was 2283 miles (close enough for you) and I did exactly what you are asking to be done. How long it took me, about a day to pack and about two days to find out the "general" state law for each of the states I drove through. I'm not sure why you seem to have such a problem with it.

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azwiley1

It's really not that difficult. If you keep your gun unloaded, locked up (not loose in the vehicle) and a trigger lock you'll be within the majority of state laws.

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miles

I don't have a problem with it. I'm sure that you're sure about the laws in the areas that you have traveled to. The United States is a very large place. Laws vary immensely from place to place. In my own tip of Southern Nevada, there are four different sets of laws in the same metropolitan area, and that is within only one state and one county.

To suggest that all laws in every state, county, municipality and unincorporated area of the United States can be monitored, recorded, updated, and kept up with, by any one individual is giving that individual a lot of credit.

You found out the "general" law in each state that you drove through. What you don't seem to understand is that, like here in Nevada, you can drive through a town in a state, and that town requires totally different things of even CCF holders. Such as weapon in trunk, bullets in glove box, weapon in locked box, ammunition in separate locked box, etc. I think that if you spent the days it would take to research every little town you went through, or got off to get gas or hamburgers at, that you might find that you were actually in violation of that jurisdiction's gun laws.

Knowing the "general" laws of the state does not exempt you from following the laws of the two block street you might be on while dodging off the Interstate for gas. And bubba, those local Barney Fifes are notorious for generating income for their little burgs by snagging city boys who want to tell them all about how the laws are ..... in the city.

Our last CCF course was ten hours, up from six for the first, eight for the second. One added section was the changes in the three bordering municipalitiy's laws that affect CCF holders of state permits while in those municipalities. So, you can go to a class, learn the last set of laws, and still get nailed if the laws change before you get to a renewal class and learn the new ones.

Multiply that by 25,884,599 and you have an idea of why I say "One size don't fit all" ......... that general state rules don't always apply in all the small towns. That's not my problem, but the thought that I'm trying to convey.

Steve

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Steve B

"miles" wrote

And attitude is 99.9% of it, too. Having the gun inoperable and inaccessible, and telling the officer about it within 30 seconds of the time he stops you speaks a lot for you. Trying to sit there and argue the law in the state you're from versus the town you're in is a recipe for disaster. But then, carrying an inoperable inaccessible defensive weapon is kind of an oxymoron, too.

Steve

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Steve B

You're exageratting the issue way overboard making it far more difficult that reality. You don't need to know every single vehicle gun law in every city, county and state. Only what the strictest is on your travel route. Not that tough to find out for a given state. Furthermore its only an issue if you have a need to only comply with in a bare minimal fashion.

Exactly. Go with the strictest state laws and you're fine for your trip.

If you it is too tough for you to comply then don't take your gun.

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miles

"miles" wrote

I have owned multiple Motorhomes and travel trailers. I converse with a lot of people along the way. I have just heard too many stories from these people who were stopped for a tail light, searched, and either terribly inconvenienced and let go, or terribly inconvenienced and let go lighter by different amounts of cash.

I'm not basing my opinions on my own paranoia or personal thoughts. I'm basing it on quite a few stories I was told firsthand by people who lived them.

You must be old enough to know that most policemen have it in their minds when they stop you whether or not they're going to check you, cite you, or really give you a going over. And lots of times, it has to do with things like they're having a bad hair day or not getting any or a lot of things other than the actual situation at hand.

You can get clear. You can get off. You can get a clear record. Eventually. It just costs you a pretty good chunk of change.

Steve

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Steve B

Thats the law in many states.

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miles

Safety stops is something far more common in the east than the west. There is no vehicle safety inspection here in AZ in order to get license tags for instance. It's a rare day that a cop will pull someone over for bald tires, busted windshield etc. I have heard this is pretty common in the east.

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miles

actually steve, you fit in well on this ng. you'll argue about anything. stick around.

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theguy

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Actually, guy, I'm not arguing. I'm just trying to make the point that there are literally millions of laws in lots of small towns all over the US, and none of us have the vast intellect and body of experience to know them all, or to keep current on them no matter how many trips we make to nra.org. Some will argue that they do, but then loose credibility when they can't even spell correctly.

Steve

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Steve B

Here, tell me if this is spelt correctly screw you gee, I thought it was you that said to drop it?

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azwiley1

Actually Steve, again it is not that hard to find the information you say we "can't know" this is the site that I had refered too and if you take the time to read through it, you will see, as example, New York lists the over all state laws and then goes on to list the individual county laws. Now, is this to say that it is 100% complete or 100 accurate, I don't know, but if you were unable to find the info you need on here, I would say there is a problem with your eyes.

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azwiley1

just saying, i enjoy your "discussions" then.

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theguy

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