The failure rate quoted by the CUmmins article claimed a 17% failure rate
"within the warranty period." The warranty period is 100,000 miles. Thus the
failure rate included lp's that would have failed for reasons other than the
vibration problem that caused the early failures.
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well..........on the bright side, apparently it appears that the lp
was warrantied as part of the engine (100,000 miles) rather than part
of the fuel system, which i think fell under the standard warranty
period, whatever the heck that was for second gens.
That figure would be interesting to know. I put 300,000 plus miles on my
'82 Ramcharger 318 engine, I remember one pump that failed and put me on the
side of the road. There could have been another, I just can't remember...if
there were, they didn't leave me on the road, those are memorable.
Twice it left me standed, once a fuel pump, once when it was nearly new,
about 4,000 miles, it left me on I-55 in the Missouri bootheel well south of
Sikeston. I got to a phone, they sent a wrecker, got to the dealer and they
had the ignition module replaced before the wrecker had time to get
unhooked. Pretty slick.
Not to mention that when a gas engine's fuel pump failed, the car stopped.
When the 2nd gen LP's failed, the engine also stopped, but by the time it
did, a $2K injection pump was wrecked, as well.
Think about it in those terms.... what else could fail and produce as much
damage, dollar-wise? Timing belt on an interference engine? That's why
they have regular maintenance intervals.
YOU made the statement. if i knew you were going to be an ass about it i
wouldnt have bothered to ask.
and how is that superior to the dmax which is doing it at less weight? it
was afterall, YOU who made the big deal about more power from less weight,
or does that only apply to the argument when YOU are using it to your
NOPE! you arent going to turn that on me. i made general statements and
you responded to them. when i called you on it, you try to spin your way
off your own statements by throwing personal insults. nice try.
of course, if you didnt try to backpeddle and spin you wouldnt be the max we
have all grown to know and love. :-)
it "proves" that the issue was NOT limited to modified trucks as you
ridiculously claim. my truck was 100% stock and the LP died at around
99,990 miles or so. the fuel pump was still good, but cummins replaced it
anyway "just incase" (cummins advisors words) since my warranty was so close
lol.....youre in such blinding denial that it shows just how full of shit
your entire argument is. go into the camping forums and tell the nice folks
there your totally ridiculous statement about LPs being limited to modified
trucks, and how failures were rare amongst stock trucks.
im really disappointed in you max. to disagree is one thing. to argue a
point when everyone reading knows better shows youre either completely
stupid (i dont believe that) or blinded by loyalty of some kind.
regardless, you sir are completely WRONG on this issue.
if it was in a d/c truck honored by a d/c warranty like it or not it is
ultimately a d/c fuck up. YOU try again.
oh yes. now you have news releases and tech articles limiting LP failures
to modified trucks? is roy dreaming about carrying spares around?
i never said SHIT about truck owners. i was referencing what the v6 does to
not yet, and hopefully they wont. they are hardly the profitable company
you suggest though.
news flash for YOU. the economy is weakening.
not raising it does not mean that it isnt to high. its still MUCH higher
than 2 years ago.
sheesh there you go. at the time it wasnt a bad financial decision, but
either way its no big deal. some of us earn enough to soak it up. some of
us dont have to wait on an inheritance to buy new trucks. some of us do
what we have to in order to maintain our lifestyle, but paying interest will
all i said was that it fell as fast as it rose. taking whats left and
making other cars from the parts isnt the same thing as the k car doing it
for the company.
heh.....its never stopped you before, i dont know why i would expect
different of you now.
those who buy freightliners are typical joe six-packs. they dont buy into
the marketing like the average truck buyer does.
i disagree. more power, more torque at the same rpm, with better fuel
economy. on paper the dmax is the one to buy.
nice spin off the point there. you have bought ONE new chrysler vehicle in
the last 7 years. i have bought 7 new vehicles (i forgot about the wifeys
cherokee the first time around) and 1 used one. i am exactly what d/c and
other companies need, returning customers.....and i find Z ignorant.
regardless of the merit of your argument, who is more important to
d/c.....someone who buys 1 vehicle in 7 years or someone who buys 7?
now spin off that with an insult.
corporate executives typically buy freightliners for their fleets, NOT joe
six-pack which is who i have referenced from the start.
i dont think you have. youve said hes done great things, but havent been
im not dumping on him, i simply find him arrogant. although youve retracted
it since, you agreed with me at one point.
it DOES matter. if i sell you 3 widgets from which i profit $1 each from,
or one superwidget from which i profit $4, from where have i made the most
im not saying anything conclusive.....im saying that to reach an accurate
conclusion, you need these figures.
Nathan in Montana
I find this interesting because dodge and Cummins don't seem to agree on
engine power output. on the Cummins link above they claim 350hp and 650
torque on the 6.7
but on this dodge link, dodge is claiming 305hp and 610 torque on a 6.7 cab
and chassis truck.
apparently dodge requires the engine be detuned for their application.
ok, what now max? sorta REALLY blows your argument out of the water. now
the dmax on paper is FAR superior, making WAY more torque at the same rpm
from a lighter engine.
wow, thats less power and the same torque as my '05.
.....now im not about to jump from my cummins to any dmax, but once again it
does show the merit of max's argument.
Nathan in Montana
if so i dont see why, the nv5600 and g56 have been holding up well on the
bombed trucks as far as i know. autos are always a problem with performance
upgrades but obviously they can be built to hold the power so why dodge
wouldnt build it that way from the factory to accomodate the new engine i
i said the same thing...im waiting to see if in a year or 2 it doesnt get
unleashed to what Cummins claims.
im guessing, but could it be an auto trans issue holding it back?
or maybe who ever wrote the code for their website has the info wrong or
(heaven forbid any one do this) typo'd.
i dont know thats just merely speculation on my part.
i dont blame you.
i didnt post that to debunk max i was just posting a curious controdiction
between the 2 companies websites as i had noticed it months ago.
i can only guess (max, this is MY OPINION) that it would be to keep the
warranty claims down. its a real shame, we all know the cummins is built
far better than the d-max and as far as the engine it can handle a lot more.
perhaps chevy is just willing to take the hit on the warranty claims in
order to lay claim to having the most powerful diesel.
that would be sweet to see, but i think dodge would have to rebuild a lot of
the truck around it.
that would be my guess, although i was told that the stock 48RE was good for
850 ft. lbs. by the tranny tech at my local dodge dealership.
i understand completely.......i just couldnt give up the opportunity to show
the omnipotent one that even he can be wrong sometimes.
Nathan in Montana
well this is a little off this topic, but a while back you asked about a toy
hauler.. how did that turn out? im curious as to how functional they are for
family camping. as i am torn between the toy haulers or a more conventinal
5ver when i get ready to get one. (still a few years away though)
and to stay with the topic of this thread *grin* if ford and dodge both used
the cummins isb i'd still drive the dodge!
im still looking, but decided to wait until november/december. camper
dealers are more willing to deal when its 10 below zero, like snowmobile
dealers are more willing to deal in june. :-)
i guess it depends most upon your toys. if it werent for my 4 wheelers i
wouldnt go camping nearly as much, so without them i really wouldnt even
need a camper at all. i like going up into the mountains, setting up the
camper, and hitting the trail. if you have toys you need a toy hauler,
unless you plan on pulling tandem trailers. in all reality the truck camper
works best for the places i go, but its just not quite big enough for when
the whole family comes along. i could upgrade to a bigger truck camper, but
it still wouldnt be big enough. id _really_ like to just get a class c
camper and pull my enclosed trailer with it, but class c 4x4s are rare and
that said, and to keep on topic, if the earth roamer (based on a 4x4 F550
http://earthroamer.com/main_truck/vehicles.html ) gets the cummins ill spend
the $200,000 on one. :-)
......see, i DID tie that in to be on topic. lol
Nathan in Montana
see my problem is I don't need another truck to license be taxed on and
with a slidein I know my wife would never go, they just don't have the room.
and I've got to consider her comfort too.
I know I wouldn't be able to tow the boat and camper tandem (30 foot of boat
trailer behind 30 foot of camper is probably a little excessive) the golf
cart or a motorcycle or a sidebyside would be more what id like to take
along. heck even jet skis could roll up in and avoid the whole tandem thing.
let me know how it works out for you, if you would. id be interested to know
how the family likes it when they are using it as a camper ect.
gotcha. i on the other hand, enjoy doing just that for some damn reason.
they have some really nice once, and some really big ones. if it was just
me and the wifey what i have now would be perfect.
i didnt even think about a boat. would be awful tough there without going
tandem or a truck camper. if its just you and the wife, perhaps you should
consider some of the larger truck campers with slide outs. i didnt go that
route because as the wife and i travel we take turns driving while the other
sleeps in the camper. with the slide outs slidden in it takes up to much
room and blocks bathroom access, etc.
will do. that earthroamer sure would be nice with a cummins! :-)
Nathan in Montana
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