OT: Log homes

That may well be true, I'm in NH where we get cold (sometimes really cold) winters, hot summers, and even stick built houses can be problematic in that respect. Good foundations are vital too.

Personally I like log cabin style homes, there is one about five miles from me, about 4000 sf (yes, that big!) that is incredible. Built by a builder for himself, he went broke before he could finish it. The bank then sold it as partially finished, I've not seen it since it was done (went though it when they were selling it) but I think probably it has been finished very nicely inside now. I've often wished I could have bought it myself.

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PeterD
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Not if the logs are properly prepared. Do you have a log home by chance? All homes settle over the years. Some construction types are more tolerable than others. The biggest factors are the soil it's built on and the style of foundation constructed.

Thats true but generally a sign of improper poor construction techniques. There are numerous ways to allow for expansion and contraction in window and door frames.

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miles

I've heard of those but don't see them here in AZ. We have rather hard celiche and clay soil. It's common to build an outer retaining foundation with a floating slab to then construct the cabin on but different techniques are used depending on the soil its built on.

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miles

Then don't top-post, you idiot. If you had put a sig line after that, everything below would be stripped away, making the context un-quotable for the next person who wants to reply.

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Beryl

It's common to build an outer traditional log cabin with a 4" inside conventional framed drywall. Same thing is done with brick homes. I have seen conventional framed houses with the 1/4 thick split logs or faux as some have said. Even seen mobile homes with faux log outer coverings. Seem to see those more often when cost is the deciding factor.

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miles

Most of the cabins around here are wood slatted rather than logs. They use logs only on the corners and for support beams for the roof.

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miles

AZ mountains see summer highs in the 80's, occasionally 90's. Winters average about 20-30 with a few weeks at 10-15 below. Nothing like the northeast winters but cold to me!

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miles

Here you go,

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Because that's the standard. Why should I place my response below the quoted text?

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Beryl

You are kidding, right???

At one time, yes I did (vacation cabin) which needed work when I first got it and I helped 2 of my friends in NJ who own and live in log homes.

The foundation is important to any structure but a true log cabin is a very different animal from stick built construction. Even if the foundation is perfect and sitting directly on bedrock, if the logs are second rate or not fitted properly, you will have a life of hell with the structure. That is not so much the case with stick built and yes, I do construction work as a side business.

It could be improper construction, low quality wood, radical humidity and temp changes. Log cabins do not react to weather changes the same way as a stick or brick structure does.

Really, name 4. Of course there are ways or they would not have them but they are not always simple to do and results vary. The point was and is that these are things that have to be taken into account with a true log structure that can for the most part be somewhat ignored with a stick built structure.

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TBone

You think you just cut down a tree and debark it and put it to use? Ya, they used to do that eons ago and I suppose some do but not quality construction.

Not necessarily so. Improper construction whether logs or sticks will lead to massive settling problems. Theres a right and wrong way no matter what you use. Side business? My folks and brother is in the construction business. I worked it for many years. Whoopee.

Bull. Ignoring proper construction techniques in a stick home will lead to stuck or leaking windows and doors or even worse. All construction has a right and a wrong way to do it. A log cabin can be built trouble free that will last a lifetime. Yes it takes a skilled builder but thats true with any construction. There are different obstacles to overcome.

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Miles

LOL, there is more to it than that. Quality construction or not, wood is hydroscopic and will expand and contract due to humidity and temp changes. While the 2X4's and 2X6's used in stick built construction also react to humidity, they are not stacked on top of each other and the 1/32 or so of an inch that they can possibly widen by have no cumulative effect. Log structures OTOH, have many logs piled on top of each other that are much thicker than a 2X4, will expand wider, and the expansion is cumulative. The wall height in a log cabin can change height by up to and more than an inch depending on log thickness and wall height and that simply doesn't happen with stick built or half log construction.

Sorry Miles, but there is much more to it than settling problems and log structures have significantly more settling in their first two years than stich builts do.

That is true but small errors in log construction tend to lead to bigger problems.

Yes Miles, your family lives everywhere and does everything. We have heard it all before and I don't know what you did working in the business, but with what you say, I doubt it had anything to do with actual building. BTW, do you own a log structure?

It can but in many cases it doesn't. In stick built, minor screwups are usually not even noticed and sometimes even major ones show no signs of something wrong for years if ever. Log structures OTOH, tend to develope issues from screwups or second rate materials fairly quickly and in many cases, are not all to easy to repair afterward.

No shit sherlock!

That depends on what you mean by trouble free and how long it will last depends on much more than its construction.

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TBone

It's because people that buy dodge trucks have superior inteligence and knowledge on all subjects.

beekeep

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beekeep

Yes, that is known sometimes as half log construction but as just about everyone who has ever owned a log structure knows, that it is just a stick built with a fancy siding and has little to do with a real log structure.

Again, a stick built with a fancy siding.

It has little to do with cost in most cases. Also faux and split logs are not usually the same thing although both equate to nothing more than siding. Log structures are unique and have very specific advantages and disadvantages to their structures and many who take the time to do the research find the disadvantages involved with a log cabin more of a hurdle than just the cost. Maybe that's not what you have seen but it is what I have, especially when someone who knows something about them explains some of it to them.

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TBone

Oh boo hoo. Now pick up your balls and leave the playground. Net nanny wantabe.

Bob

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Bob M

rules? assuming you can read, which is a big assumption in itself, you should be able to tell by the simple name of the group alone. On the other hand, if you are a worshiper of that idiot that lived in the tree at Berkley for over a year to protest something just about insignificant as your quest for rules, then none of the following will apply to you:

If you look at the hierarchy, you will see, and again I'm going to step off a little here and assume you can see:

alt.autos.dodge.trucks

breaks down as follows:

alt.autos alt.autos.dodge alt.autos.dodge.trucks

Now, without getting too much more technical, (I would want to be responsible for frying anyone's brain cell - they could cease to function in our society and I wouldn't want that on my conscience) please enlighten me on exactly wherein the above hierarchy lies the word or words: "Log Homes" again?

Other than the detailed explanation above the rules should be obvious. Discussion on Dodge Trucks - and try to keep it clean. Duh!!!

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Abby.Normal

Yup, you brought them up.

Wow!! That was a good one!!

You should by now know wtf OT means in the subject.

Idiot, you are the one again who was talking about rules.

Who's hierarchy?? Yours? It and you are pretty much meaningless in a non moderated ng..

Wow, another good one!! If that's the best you can do........

Right after OT in the subject.

Tell ya what idiot you will be real busy running around here. We have a Jeep thread that is now a concealed carry thread. I'm sure you have more guidence that can be applied there.

For one who wants to moderate I'd suggest that you learn not to top post.

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Roy

Nobody is arguing that issue so why are you? My point TBone, is that log homes can be built with proper techniques and last a lifetime without trouble.

Never said otherwise. What the heck is your argument anyways or is it just to argue? With proper construction a log home will last a lifetime or more without any problems. You make it sound like it's impossible to build such a log home. Good grief!

Yes and we know you're an expert on everything!! Geez TBone, you'll argue any topic any time. And yes, I do own a log structure. They're very popular in the mountains of northern AZ.

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Miles

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Abby.Normal

It has become apparent that "OT" is much to simplistic for your

mediocre mind to grasp on to.

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Carolina Watercraft Works

Still the idiot I see. But given the shape the economy is in being a democrat is a looking damn good.

Oh here's a update for ya mr. wannabe moderator. The Jeep thread has now gone from Jeep to concealed carry to the friggin rabbits fat ass. Your job performance thus far sucks. Now go play outside.

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Roy

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