OT Sold It!!!!!!!!!!!!

By talking to you here and reading what you believe. You seem to think that someone starting should have to work up to a living wage, not start at one and work up to a comfortable living.

And that's probably another problem because when I was looking for work, it seemed that the ones not putting a salary range in job posting usually were on the low side. Not all of the time, but most of it.

IOW, get them in for the lowest cost possible. The fact is Miles that there are many people out there but they want or need more than people like you are willing to pay them. What is your general salary range for the positions you are looking to fill Miles?

It was. Not so much now and fast growth is a major negative where you live. Either way, Phoenix is a somewhat expensive area to live in and that climate pulls in a very specific type of person and maybe not the type of people that you need or ones willing to work there for the salary you are offering. I'll tell you what Miles, if you are uncomfortable listing salary ranges here, tell me what kind of lifestyle could a married employee with 2 kids living in the Phoenix area talking one of these jobs that you are offering have on the low end of the benefits package you are offering. What about the high end?

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Sorry Miles, but that is how it is adjusted and if you think different, post some proof for a change.

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TBone

LOL, get real Miles.

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TBone

Well Miles, I guess that shows the kind of person that you really are? Your hand shake, word, or even signature ain't worth shit. Sure, some did but it was a very different time and many couldn't afford to get out or simply refinance at the lower rate. Things are very different now from what they were then both in the situation and how things are done. I would suspect that part of it is due to banks getting burned by people like you in the

80's. Many of these loans were grouped up and sold as securities and defaults cost them a lot of money so there is much more motivation to sue, especially if they know you have money.

LOL, what makes you think that they don't do both. They can and do forclose on the house and then sue for the difference between what you owe and what the house is wirth as well as payment of assessed fines.

Actually, many of them took these loans to buy a home, period. Sure, there were idiots that bought way more than they could afford but I blame the banks completely for that as well as they knew most couldn't afford to keep up these payments and fudged the figures to make these people qualify. The ones that I have no simpathy for are the specualtors as they knew what they were doing and the risks involved.

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TBone

Please list the heavy industries that your company deals with.

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TBone

That would make sense except for one small issue and that would be, where did all of these people come from to begin with? I really don't think that the construction worker fairy just dropped them all off there and then simply abandoned them. It is more like these workers came from other fields where they either lost their jobs or were not making enough money to survive.

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TBone

I suppose if you like it cool you could go where the friggin'rabbit vacations. Old Orchard Beach in ME. If that water breaks 60 in August I'd be surprised.

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Roy

WRONG! It is primarily computed from labor force surveys. That replaced the unemployment insurance stats long ago for the very reasons you have stated. Lets see those Gov. sites you claim that state most info is from unemployment insurance stats.

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You seem to think a company should pay a high salary to someone who has no skills and ignore the high costs a company endures to train them. Yes TBone, work your way up and quit expecting handouts and something for nothing. Hard work earns rewards in life. It's not given out freely as you want.

Low end jobs post salaries. High end jobs post no such thing or at most a possible wide range. Guess I know what jobs you were looking for!

lol, nah, pay them as much as possible, way over what they are worth. Some peoples kids!

They want and need huh? There is an economic system where people are paid based on need. Why don't you move there? I prefer one where pay is based on abilities and not wants and needs. You want it? Then learn and work for it.

75K-100K+ for mechanical engineers depending on specific job and skills an applicant holds.

lol, you have no clue about Phoenix!! The southwest has been steadily out pacing growth compared to almost all areas of the USA. Major corporations have all moved here, Banner, Target, Raytheon, Wells Fargo, Motorola and many more.

They could live quite nice considering the median income in Phoenix is $45,000 and most at my company make over that. Keep it up TBone with your assumptions that my company must pay sub par wages. You're barking up the wrong tree.

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Oh ya, Fox is lies, CNN, CBS, ABC and NBC are all the truth huh? Too funny!

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Miles

That would be the minority except in your biased belief world! Most subprimes were not to high risk poor credit borrowers.

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Aerospace (Boeing, Airbus etc.), Oil exploration of domestic oil (no, not to the big oil companies themselves), Automotive (TRW, Bendix, All US automakers etc.), Material Testing and many more.

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Miles

They came from the wherever their last job was. Most likely in construction. Thats the construction biz. It goes up and down from town to town and the field workers move with it. They go to the town thats got the building going on at the time.

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The numbers used to determine unemployment are the most accurate given. How accurate they are is beyond your or my ability to know, since there is no other method. Therefore, the numbers presented are the best to be had. If there were better sources for this, you would certainly have found them, correct? Since you've presented no data refuting the numbers as presented, we can only use what we know, which is the numbers I used. Don't like it? Start your own statistical research company.

Sorry, no. Stagflation was the 1970's. Now we still have economic growth, unemployment isn't rising at a terrible rate, if at all, and inflation isn't very high. In the 1970's under Carter (damn, a Democrat? How terrible for you) Inflation went up and stayed up, stagnating, as did unemployment, while the economy stalled completely.

Again, false. As much as I hate to say it, the economy was doing very well during the Bush Presidency after 2002. Until 2007 it was in a boom period, especially the housing industry.

Pure rubbish. You have no grounds to stand on with this claim.

The biggest indicator of the dollar is the oil market. Otherwise, commodities trade just like everything else. Stagflation isn't an issue at all at this time.

This is because of the low dollar, not the economy. Try reading a few reports on this, rather than making assinine assumptions.

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Max Dodge

Lets see these labor force surveys that you are talking about. I asked you who got them and when and as typical for you, you didn't answer anything. I'm done wasting my time here.

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TBone

It's not a matter of truth or lies Miles, it's a matter of bias.

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TBone

LOL! You're the one who made the claim about Gov. sites saying unemployment stats are from insurance claims. Those sites musta closed down or something! You bought the typical liberal rhetoric and just repeat it. Even liberal politicians aren't making your claim!! Too funny.

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Why is it that you seen to think that a living wage is a high salary? There is a big difference between the two.

Once again, nuthin but distortions and bullshit. Who said anything should be handed out? What exactly is you definition of rewards?

Then you would be once again, wrong as usual. I did not say that an exact salary would or even should be posted but in many cases, a range is listed.

Once again, a idiotic right wing responce, how typical. You should always get the best deal and anyone but an idiot knows that the best deal does not always mean the lowest price. I guess that we know where you stand.

And that is why your company is having the hard time that it is attracting talent. I agree on the wants side to a point but needs are what they are and if you refuse to meet them, then they cannot come to you for work.

And how much experience do they require to get hired within this salary range? Would a college grad with lets say a masters and little work experience qualify? How about a BA?

LOL, which is probably why you are having a difficult time finding employees as these companies know what real talent is worth. That still doesn't change the fact that the climate there is not for everyone. The last time I was there (and it has been a few years) going down some of the streets made me laugh. They had grass lawns and fruit trees, it looked like a mini Florida except for the smog that Florida doesn't have. And even then there were water issues and I'm sure that it isn't any better now and probably worse unless some serious restrictions have been put in place which would make it less desirable for many and perhaps more desirable for some.

LOL, you are kidding, right!?!?!?! I doubt very much that you could live "quite nice" on $45,000 there. It is so right wing of you to come up with a deceptive number like the median income when that number is an unweighted combination of the richest of the rich and the poorest of the poor. If the true cost of living well was $45,000 then you should have employees beating down your door to get the jobs you mentioned here as you are offering up to more than twice that amount. Something tells me that to live a good lifestyle in the better areas of Phoenix costs well upwards of $100,000 in family income.

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TBone

Yep, and if Fox is biased, so is CBS. But to liberals that just ain't so! It's biased if it has reports they disagree with. CBS is one of the most biased there is, but since it doesn't report much right wing stories you'll easily disagree! Thats the truth!

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