Rusted out brake lines

Did you sneak past your mommy to play with her computer again? Grow up asshole.

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TBone
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Nah - it's all about the Germans. Just like when they bombed Pearl Harbor, they forced Dodge to use sub-standard brake lines. "Ve vant you to use zee crappy lines for zee Amerikaner vehicles, yah?"

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Tom Lawrence

Only when driving near you Maxi.

They don't have to be exactly the same Max, as it is impossible to ever get "exactly" the same conditions ever. In this case, all they need to be is close and since the Nissan and even my TA were exposed to similar conditions for far longer, they don't even have to be all that close. The Nissan lines held up 8 years longer and the Trans Am lines held up 17 years longer so we are not talking a few months or even a year where you could say that the slight differences had any real effect on longevity.

No more than the Nissan would have went through since I don't off-road with this truck.

Sorry Maxi, but this is just more of your senseless spin. Please explain how arodynamics destroyed the lines, or this magical mudd for that matter. Maybe you use water in your brake lines since you now claim they are supposed to hold it but I'll stick with brake fluid.

Reading a new skill that you have yet to master their maxie???? I am not the only one with this problem as I am responding to someone else with the same year truck that has a much worse condition of it than my truck did. Actually, you said the same crap about the bad bearings in the 9 1/4 rear.

Funny, that has been said of you as well and your crap here proves it as well... aerodynamics, LOL!

No shit Sherlock, I never said otherwise but we are not talking a few months here, we are talking years and many of them and in that case, the conditions don't have to be exact, only similar.

Reply to
TBone

Is this really the best that you can do and completely incorrect at that. Zee Germans did not own Dodge in 97 and when exactly did Germany bomb Pearl Harbor??? Do you know for a fact that they didn't use a slightly lower quality material in 97 in an attempt to cut costs? It is possible that they just got a bad batch of line in 97 but with other things such as delaminating paint and bad bearings in the 9 1/4 rear as well as other quality problems I am thinking more toward the first reason. BTW, I see that your noise levels are reaching all new highs, welcome to the club.

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TBone

It's called sarcastic humor... YOU were the one that made this claim:

TBone> But hey, wait, didn't they merge (become TBone> acquired) by Daimler shortly after 97 and the TBone> better they look (higher profits), the more money TBone> they (board members) get

Wow.... if you can't figure that one out, well... I ain't explaining it to you.

Reply to
Tom Lawrence

Where is it wrong? Did Germany have control of the company yet and if not..... I understand it's humor and is often used when one cannot backup their previous claims.

Yea, because you can't and this was humor as well, only not being used to cover previous posts.

Reply to
TBone

Better humor than more bullshit and outright lies when you make a claim you can't back up.

First you made the claim that it was Dodge using junk brake lines to increase profits. Then, once called on that claim, you decide to blame it on ownership (be it German or American) and throw a bunch of "well, it COULD be...." crap.

Face it, steel brake line is... well, steel brake line. Its mild steel. Its the diameter that it is, its all made the same, and I'd bet there are less than ten suppliers in the world, if that many.

For those that think certain vehicles have a problem with the brake lines, I say hogwash. Its STEEL BRAKE LINE, and its under a vehicle, in water, dirt and generally ugly circumstances, IT WILL RUST. ALL vehicles should be checked regularly, and in PA, inspection requires it.

Now, go on with your argument that mild steel is different somehow, and that PA has different regs, and whatever other stupid diversionary tactics you can barf up.

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Max Dodge

I think one of the flaws it has is the nut behind the wheel.

Reply to
Max Dodge

To make the claims you are attemtping to make, YES Mr. Wizard, the conditions have to be the same. Its called the scientific method.

I think I see the problem here.... a Trans Am owner...... all ego, and no hp.

Vehicle aerodynamics on the underside are typically why dirt and water get into places they should not if the vehicle were sitting still. Its not rocket science, but it seems to have escaped you nonetheless.

Yup, because I. among many others, don't believe that big business goes out of its way to rip off you and a select few others.

Good luck figuring out when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.

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Max Dodge

Once again, you prove that you don't know shit. My claim was for general endurance over an extended period and for that, the conditions only need to be similar and they were. Actually, the brake lines on the Nissan are subjected to more abuse from the elements and for nearly twice as long and yet ....

The car was free but I'll agree, all show and no go but it did look good and handle well.

The lines are not protected so there is no place where the lines run where dirt and water can not or should not go and the lines should be made out of a material that can deal with it. The same is true on the Nissan and in that case, they are much closer to the ground and salt spray as well as dirt and water on wet roads and yet, they survived for 8 more years and counting. Similar exposure and nearly twice the life so far, care to dance again?

I never said that they did either. They do go out of their way to increase profits, especially if a takeover is possible and the customer is not their primary concern, that would be the stock holders and even then, the board members come first.

You had better offer that to Tom, he made the claim.

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TBone

In order to call it a lie, you need to prove me wrong and you have yet to do that but don't worry, I'll wait while you dance.

Really, who called me on it and how? Yea, I made the claim and none of you have proven me wrong or it impossible. I gave valid possibilities while all you did was spin and make a fool out of yourself once again by dancing for me.

LOL, brake line comes in different diameters as well as materials and while there may be a limited number of suppliers, I would bet that each one has different grades of material and related costs for them.

So what. I have yet to have a vehicle besides this one lose a metal brake line just like this was the first vehicle that I owned that lost a rear diff bearing and the only one with this delaminating problem, all cost cutting quality control issues. Since the lines will be exposed to the conditions that you listed, they should be made of a material that can deal with it and up to this vehicle, every other one that I owned did, including my 18 year old Dart, my 23 year old Falcon, and my 22 year old T/A.

If you think that all mild steel is of the same quality and corrosion resistance then you are an idiot. Hell, I'm arguing with someone that called corrosion decomposition, LOL.

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TBone

In order to call it a lie, you need to prove me wrong and you have yet to do that but don't worry, I'll wait while you dance.

Really, who called me on it and how? Yea, I made the claim and none of you have proven me wrong or it impossible. I gave valid possibilities while all you did was spin and make a fool out of yourself once again by dancing for me.

LOL, brake line comes in different diameters as well as materials and while there may be a limited number of suppliers, I would bet that each one has different grades of material and related costs for them.

So what. I have yet to have a vehicle besides this one lose a metal brake line just like this was the first vehicle that I owned that lost a rear diff bearing and the only one with this delaminating problem, all cost cutting quality control issues. Since the lines will be exposed to the conditions that you listed, they should be made of a material that can deal with it and up to this vehicle, every other one that I owned did, including my 18 year old Dart, my 23 year old Falcon, and my 22 year old T/A.

If you think that all mild steel is of the same quality and corrosion resistance then you are an idiot. Hell, I'm arguing with someone that called corrosion decomposition, LOL.

Reply to
TBone

Once again, you prove that you don't know shit. My claim was for general endurance over an extended period and for that, the conditions only need to be similar and they were. Actually, the brake lines on the Nissan are subjected to more abuse from the elements and for nearly twice as long and yet ....

The car was free but I'll agree, all show and no go but it did look good and handle well.

The lines are not protected so there is no place where the lines run where dirt and water can not or should not go and the lines should be made out of a material that can deal with it. The same is true on the Nissan and in that case, they are much closer to the ground and salt spray as well as dirt and water on wet roads and yet, they survived for 8 more years and counting. Similar exposure and nearly twice the life so far, care to dance again?

I never said that they did either. They do go out of their way to increase profits, especially if a takeover is possible and the customer is not their primary concern, that would be the stock holders and even then, the board members come first.

You had better offer that to Tom, he made the claim.

Reply to
TBone

Tom and I know exactly when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.

You, OTOH, don't know squat about brake lines, dirt and rust on an under carriage, scientific method, or corporate profits, let alone when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.

Reply to
Max Dodge

Hey, could ya post this again, I didn't get it the first two times......

Only one dancing is you.... same steps, same out of time music. Dealing in woulda, coulda, shoulda, is easy. Bring some facts, not assumptions and far flung reaches of fantasy, and you'll be doing some sort of work.

I've seen many vehicles, all sorts of makes and models, with brake line failure due to rust.

All brake line is made to withstand certain pressures, otherwise, there is no difference in the steel used to make it.

Plainly stated, you are grasping for suppositions, making claims, and lacking facts.

Fact is, brake line rusts because it is steel. Conditions dictate its longevity, not materials. If you think your conditions between vehicles are close, you should check out the similarity of the steel from one brake line to another. I guarantee its closer than your supposedly equal conditions for the vehicles.

The only issue not resolved at this point is when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor. Have fun figuring that out.

Reply to
Max Dodge

Yea, sure you do.

And yet, I prove you wrong time and time again.

Reply to
TBone

Same as most any other brand of any other product.

Reply to
miles

That was just too priceless TBone. I'm sure others got a good laugh too.

Reply to
miles

You first have to prove yourself right or at least give some credible evidence of such. Instead all you offer is your one single puny personal results. Then claim you're right about making generalized claims about an entire company or brand for a given year. lol. Some funny stuff right there! You have no credibility TBone so making a bonehead statement and then demanding to be proven wrong is absurd.

Reply to
miles

Sure, if you really need me to.

The facts are there, my 97 rotted the brake lines and so did the other poster. The other people that said theirs were fine were both 95's. While it is not an outstanding number it is still 2 more than you have.

Sure you have, just like you saw all of those vehicles apply pressure to the TB on an hydraulic chutch due to air in the system when the system had nothing else wrong with it, LOL.

Hahahahaha, care to back this up? They need to comply with minimum strength and possible corrosion resistance minimums and to go higher and / or last longer costs more money. There are many grades of steel rated in both makup, QC, and cost that can meet these standards and if you think differently....

I have some facts backing me up. You OTOH, are completely full of shit. You seem to think that all steel is the same but have nothing to back this pure bullshit up.

And there are many grades of steel that can meet the minimum strength requirements that have different corrosion resistance at different costs.

Complete bullshit but feel free to prove this, I'll wait and laugh.

I don't have the labratory equipment available to do that and neither do you but I don't have to, the proof is in the pudding.

Since it never happened...

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TBone

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