Are 3rd/4th gen cars destined to become classics?

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We know the answer for the 1st and 2nd gen Fbods, but I wonder if the 3rd and 4th gen Fbods will be looked at as classic muscle cars in 10 years when all cars have morphed into New Beetle look alikes. The mustang is staying
RWD and V8, so I guess the next Camaro/Firebird will be too, so it's not like its the end of an era. Does this make the recent fbods insignificant as far as collectable?
I'm picking up an arrest-me-red 97 Formula this weekend and I think its about as classic a muscle car look as you can get - powerful but clean lines without all the boy-racer plastic. I just wonder years from now if it will be considered a POS or "one of the good ones".
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SNAFU wrote:

My $0.02
3rd Gens: Some will, some won't. 89 Turbo TAs, the Notchback GTAs, the 1LE Camaros, and Convertibes will. The 2.5L 82 Firebirds won't. Overall, the V8's will be going up in value - starting to see that in the late 80's TA's already.
4th Gens: I'll go out on a limb - all the V8's will do decent as far as keeping value go - combo of fast and low production #'s. That said, biggest value will be found in the SS,WS6,Firehawks. Convertibles as well and Firebird Formulas will also keep good value. Also the BFG TA's and the 97 SS Camaros with the LT4.
Are you buying it to drive it or store it for collector car value? :)
Ray 01 TA WS6... with nitrous. (I don't do resale value... I do burnouts.)
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I agree with Ray. Even things like a common G body (which you used to see everywhere) are turning up as classics.
Scout Ebay for a couple of years and you'll see what's becoming a classic and what's not :).

Joe--ASE Certified Parts Specialist & 10th Ann.Club Tech Director '80 Carousel Red Turbo T/A, 27k orig. '79 "Y89" 400/4 speed 10th Ann. T/A, 57k orig '84 Olds 88 Royale Bgm 2 dr, 307 "Rocket" (lol), 143k and still going.... '91 S10 Blazer 4.3Z
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This is a very good thread. This is something I mention to my buddies and they just seem to not understand.......
I consider the mid 80s the second coming of the Muscle Car era........ The Mustang 5.0, IROC Camaro and the Buick Turbo Cars will all be something special in a few more years.
I think the L69 HO Camaro Z-28s and the 5.7 TPI IROCs will be collectables. We don't think much about it now but a few years down the road a nice conditioned IROC will pass us on the road and we will be like, "man check it out....that is a sweet looking IROC". Just like we act now when we see a '69 Camaro cruising down the road.

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Also from the 80s era, I'd think the 1985 and 86 5.0 Mustangs will be the top collectables among the 79-93 5.0s.....(besides the Saleen, 93 Cobra, 84 GT350, 79 Pace Car, and maybe the Police Coupes)
....on the subject of Police cars, does anyone know what states used Camaro Police cars? I'm pretty sure the Carolinas used them....... and what options did the Police cars have to offer? Better cooling systems? any others?

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I know back home (NE Wisconsin) we had a Corvette and a Camaro as white police cars......
-Geno 1985 Blue Camaro 2.8L w/T-tops (148k and going... getting worried) 1988 Blue Firebird Formula 5.0L w/T-tops (For sale for $2,200) 1985 Brown Firebird 5.7L w/5-Speed (No T-tops though) Still looking for an '82-'84 T/A w/T-tops for parts from one
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puked:

There's a huge black dude that drives a Florida State Trooper Z-28 in West Fort Lauderdale (Davie, actually). I used to keep a camera in my SS for a chance of a pic (hopefully catching him in a parking lot, not in my rear view mirror...) -- lab~rat >:-) Do you want polite or do you want sincere?
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I think CA had them too. Joe--ASE Certified Parts Specialist & 10th Ann.Club Tech Director '80 Carousel Red Turbo T/A, 27k orig. '79 "Y89" 400/4 speed 10th Ann. T/A, 57k orig '84 Olds 88 Royale Bgm 2 dr, 307 "Rocket" (lol), 143k and still going.... '91 S10 Blazer 4.3Z
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Bigjfig wrote:

often on my way to work.
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I know Oregon has several Camaro interceptors
Casey

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I consider the mid 80s the second coming of the Muscle Car era........ The Mustang 5.0, IROC Camaro and the Buick Turbo Cars will all be something special in a few more years. =====================================I should have included the H.O. Trans Am, Formula 350 and 5.7 GTA............. I've been looking for a Formula 350 5-speed (they didn't offer the T-top option with the 5.7 5-speed combo) but these bad-boys are getting VERY hard to find. I past one up on eBay about a year or so ago for $2,300 that was less than an hour from me (it had the automatic though) but even that would make me happy. Should have got the damn thing....LOL!!!!!!

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John King wrote:

available as the tranny can't handle the torque. Any 5 speed 350's you find (3rd gen) either had the engine changed, the tranny changed or both. None of them came from the factory that way. BTW, this was hashed out in this newsgroup about 2 years ago. I believe that Bigjfig was around for that discusion.
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You could get the T5 with the 5.7........ but you couldn't get the T-tops with that combo.

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John King wrote:

gen 350/5 speed combo as the tranny can't handle the torgue of the 350. As a matter of fact, it's the highest failure item on the 5.0 Stangs as they use the same tranny. They just don't have the strength to stand up to more than about 300 FP of torque.
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public sale.
When the 4th gen came out in 1993, you could get the 350/MT combo.
Where do you get your facts from? LOL. Joe--ASE Certified Parts Specialist & 10th Ann.Club Tech Director '80 Carousel Red Turbo T/A, 27k orig. '79 "Y89" 400/4 speed 10th Ann. T/A, 57k orig '84 Olds 88 Royale Bgm 2 dr, 307 "Rocket" (lol), 143k and still going.... '91 S10 Blazer 4.3Z
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For some reason I was thinking that the 5-speed was optional with the 5.7s but not with T-tops because of body strength......... I was wrong. Not sure where I got that info from. Guess my search for a Formula 350 5-speed is over. Had a fella tell me once that he owned one of these.......sure hope I run into him again...LOL!!!!!

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I was. LOL. Because there are none in the 3rd generation. A couple of test mules were built in GM perhaps, but that's it. As you said, it was the torque/strength issue. Joe--ASE Certified Parts Specialist & 10th Ann.Club Tech Director '80 Carousel Red Turbo T/A, 27k orig. '79 "Y89" 400/4 speed 10th Ann. T/A, 57k orig '84 Olds 88 Royale Bgm 2 dr, 307 "Rocket" (lol), 143k and still going.... '91 S10 Blazer 4.3Z
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Assume you mean a 4th gen 350/5 speed combination as there was no such thing in the 3rd gen cars. You'd be looking for quite a while :). Joe--ASE Certified Parts Specialist & 10th Ann.Club Tech Director '80 Carousel Red Turbo T/A, 27k orig. '79 "Y89" 400/4 speed 10th Ann. T/A, 57k orig '84 Olds 88 Royale Bgm 2 dr, 307 "Rocket" (lol), 143k and still going.... '91 S10 Blazer 4.3Z
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well thats sucks......

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wrote:

Why? TKO makes a direct replacement 5 speed that can easily handle the extra torque of a 350 and much more. For about $1,900 you can get yourself a bullitt proof transmission that will fit right in. A bit expensive but well worth the cost if it is able to last for a long time.
...Ron -- 68' Camaro RS 88' Firebird Formula 00' Mustang GT Vert
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