Are 3rd/4th gen cars destined to become classics?

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On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 02:12:41 GMT, snipped-for-privacy@hotmail.com (RSCamaro) wrote:


Here is a link to the Tremec page for the conversion.
http://www.classicchevy5speed.com/82_92_firebird_transmission_install_notes.htm
...Ron -- 68' Camaro RS 88' Firebird Formula 00' Mustang GT Vert
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On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 02:20:49 GMT, snipped-for-privacy@hotmail.com (RSCamaro) wrote:

Another page with pricing for a complete kit. Again, it looks pretty expensive but worth it if you can afford it.
http://www.classicchevy5speed.com/Deluxe_Transmission_Kit.htm
...Ron -- 68' Camaro RS 88' Firebird Formula 00' Mustang GT Vert
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It's $1900 that you can put toward a 4th gen car that will get you the 6 speed and a much better car overall :). Joe--ASE Certified Parts Specialist & 10th Ann.Club Tech Director '80 Carousel Red Turbo T/A, 27k orig. '79 "Y89" 400/4 speed 10th Ann. T/A, 57k orig '84 Olds 88 Royale Bgm 2 dr, 307 "Rocket" (lol), 143k and still going....
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On 01 Oct 2004 09:47:34 GMT, snipped-for-privacy@aol.com (Bigjfig) wrote:

I guess, if that's what you are into. I find pretty much all 4th gen Camaros to be cut from the same mold and have no desire at present to own one. I do like the Firehawk and Formula birds though.
...Ron

-- 68' Camaro RS 88' Firebird Formula 00' Mustang GT Vert
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I think ANYTHING beyond the 2nd generation lost its identity in all reality. The 3rd generation cars are really cookie cutters to me, that's why I part them out, not drive them :).
A Pontiac with a Chevrolet engine is blasphemy to me. LOL. Even my 1989 Cavalier has a "Chevy" designed 2.0 in it.
After '81 when the Pontiac V8 was gone, there went the brand identity. It's one reason why I own 1979 Pontiacs, not 1979 Chevrolets. Joe--ASE Certified Parts Specialist & 10th Ann.Club Tech Director '80 Carousel Red Turbo T/A, 27k orig. '79 "Y89" 400/4 speed 10th Ann. T/A, 57k orig '84 Olds 88 Royale Bgm 2 dr, 307 "Rocket" (lol), 143k and still going....
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Joe:
Let me correct you there. There were no GM built units that way. A few people have put 350's in T-5 cars. Just as a few people have converted over to the 93 up 6 speeds in third gens. Charles
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Charles Bendig wrote:

have a distressing tendancy to grenade from the torque. The 6 speed conversion if far more useful as the 6 speed is able to handle the torque.
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Charles:
Sure, that's clarification. When I speak of "there are none", I mean what left the factory for public sale.
Of course, there are some Trans Ams that people put 231 V6s in I'm sure, for whatever reason unknown. LOL. You see everything and wonder why often times. LOL
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Now if you took a 2.8 Camaro or Firebird and put a 231 it, you would have a better car. Especially if you put in a 1995 up Camaro/Firebird 231 with the computer and emissions controls. Even better then that would be to add a Eaton super charger to it.
Lower emissions, better engine, and a blower. With the right amount of boost it could be a low 13 second car in the 1/4 mile. Charles
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Charles Bendig wrote:

and rear end to keep from blowing them up. I doubt the drive train of the 2.8 would handle the power of the supercharged engine. Of course if your going to do that, why not put an LS1 into it and put a Gale Banks twin turbo kit on it. Then you would have a real killer machine. Don't forget the subframe connectors thought, unless you want to tweak the frame the first time you jump on it. <g>
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Actually the drive line wouldn't be an issue. The gears seats for the rear end are a dime a dozen for me. Not to mention I can stuff blazer transmissions in there all day long with my torque arm relocation custom brackets.
As for why not a LS1? if Im making a V6 car cool, why not keep it a V6?
Not to mention I don't care for turbos. Unles it's a regal. Charles
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Charles:
I meant the 231 V6 LD5 that was 2 barrel carbureted and put out a whopping 115 hp on a good day. It was used in just about everything GM through 1987. It was a pig of an engine from day 1.
I meant it sarcastically that I've seen all sorts of bastardization of what was probably a good car at one time. Such as a Trans Am with a 307 Oldsmobile engine in it. What was the person thinking? LOL. Joe--ASE Certified Parts Specialist & 10th Ann.Club Tech Director '80 Carousel Red Turbo T/A, 27k orig. '79 "Y89" 400/4 speed 10th Ann. T/A, 57k orig '84 Olds 88 Royale Bgm 2 dr, 307 "Rocket" (lol), 143k and still going.... '91 S10 Blazer 4.3Z
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Bigjfig wrote:

Joe, There were no 4th gen 350/5 speeds. All 4th Gen V8 manuals were 6 speeds. (and I know you know this...)
Ray
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Back in 2001 when GM had the Camaro on the Chevy web site, I am pretty sure 5 and 6 speed manual trannys were available in manual. Am I remembering wrong, did Chevy not know as much about their cars as you do, or are you wrong?
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SgtSilicon wrote:

5 Speeds were on the 6 cyl cars and 6 speeds on the v-8's in the 4th gen. 3rd Gen had the 5 speed only, and only on up to the 305 v-8.
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Yes, I goofed up when I typed. I believe the T56 6 speed was used from 1993 up through the 2002 end of the run on the V8's.
What I was trying to illustrate was that you could not get a MT equipped 350 in the third gen cars.
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just giving you a hard time. I believe you could never get a 350/5 speed F-body. (1st and 2nd gens were 4 speeds, 3rd gen was only 305's with sticks and the 4th gen skipped right to 6 gears...)
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Okay that explains it. 5 speed manual on the V6. I just knew I remembered seeing both 5 and 6 manual.

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SgtSilicon wrote:

The 5.7l 350 LT1 motor in the 1993 thru 1997 F-bodies came with a Borg-Warner T-56 six-speed manual transmission.
The 5.7l 346 cubic inch LS1 in the 1998-2002 came with the same basic trans, however around this time the design was sold to Tremec.
The 3.4 litre and 3.8 litre V6 s came with 5-speed manuals.
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Yes, I believe you are right, I made a typo. They were all T56s in this range on the V8s.
In any event, you cannot get a 350/MT in the 3rd gens from GM and that was my point :).
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