BS on the left coast; Los Angeles Street Racers Face Crunch Time

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Ok, I can MAYBE see this if you actually get busted while pounding pavement.
"A week after that accident, police arrested 12 people during an illegal
gathering in Van Nuys, where they confiscated two souped-up Ford Mustangs."
Illegal gathering? WTF?
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Los Angeles Street Racers Face Crunch Time 10/14/2004
L.A. Officials' New Strategy Against Illegal Races Packs Big Wallop. Law Sends Some Seized Cars to Scrap Heap. By Amanda Covarrubias, Los Angeles Times
Hoping to discourage illegal drag racing, Los Angeles Police Chief William J. Bratton and Mayor James K. Hahn held a car-crushing demonstration Wednesday at a Sun Valley junkyard intended to send a strong message to violators: Race, and you risk arrest and the demolition of your vehicle.
After two incidents this month involving illegal street racing, Bratton and Hahn said it was time to remind racers drawn to the San Fernando Valley's wide boulevards that the activity won't be tolerated.
"We went almost a year without any street fatalities," Capt. Greg Meyer of the Los Angeles Police Department's Valley Traffic Division said before Wednesday's demonstration. "But we've seen racing start up again because they forget. This is a dramatic reminder of what can happen if you get caught street racing in the city of Los Angeles."
Bratton and Hahn presided over the destruction of the first vehicle confiscated after the city's car seizure law went into effect in July 2003. The law, aimed at cracking down on street racing, allows for the destruction of "nuisance vehicles."
A crane lifted a flat, metal "crusher" that looked like a giant bacon press and dropped it three times on a white 1989 Camaro, sending shards of glass flying.
For years police have struggled to crack down on street racing in the San Fernando Valley. Earlier this month, two teenage boys died and another was seriously injured while racing in Sun Valley.
The injured boy, 17-year-old Michael Lee, is recovering from brain surgery. The two who died, Nicholas Roth and Christopher Oliver, were also 17 and seniors at Village Christian High School. No charges have been filed, but the case is still under investigation, Meyer said.
A week after that accident, police arrested 12 people during an illegal gathering in Van Nuys, where they confiscated two souped-up Ford Mustangs.
"People say we're taking away their fun," Hahn said Wednesday. "But it's no fun to go to somebody's funeral.. If you want to race, go out to a real raceway and do it."
Seven vehicles have been seized since the new confiscation law went into effect. Some will be destroyed and others will be sold for their parts.
The recent increase in street racing corresponds with a 17% rise in traffic-related deaths in the Valley, where there have been 69 traffic fatalities this year. Three were the result of racing, Meyer said. There were 59 traffic fatalities in 2003.
"We're telling them, 'Some of you care more about your cars than your lives,' " said Councilwoman Wendy Greuel, who sponsored the car-seizure law and represents an area where much of the city's street racing occurs. "It's not a game. It's not a movie. It's a choice that has consequences and it's illegal."
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I would imagine that illegal gathering is also known as "organized street racing".
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Right! and in the next California law "illegal gathering" will be also known as "organized political rally" like they have in China. oh wait, that's communism. Street racing is illegal. They should arrest the people racing and take away their licenses. Check the Bill Of Rights for the "right of the people to peaceably assemble". It's in amendment number one. State of California will look pretty silly buying souped up cars to give back to these people after the courts throw out this blatantly unconstitutional law, like they have done countless times in the past. Andy W.
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Andy Warren wrote:

My guess is that the gathering was illegal because the street racing was part of it. It's only legal to have a gathering as long as the gathering is not for the purpose of breaking the law.
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Cy Welch wrote:

Let me see if I understand. You're at the local cruise night at a drive-in. 2 guys torch em off leaving. The cops come and impound your car because you're part of what they consider an "illegal gathering" and impound your car. And you're ok with that?
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FBR wrote:

No, I'm not ok with that. If the gathering was legit (not for street racing) and a couple of guys get nuts, then they need to get busted. But if all of them are there for a street race, then yeah they should all get busted. However they should have to show that the gathering was a street race.
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Cy Welch wrote:

I don't see how it matters at all. The only ones actually doing anything illegal would be the ones racing. There's nothing illegal about standing around watching. Unless of course it's illegal to be maybe thinking about possibly committing a crime sometime in the future, perhaps. Seizure laws of all types have become ridiculously draconian in recent years. Once your property is seized it's then up to you to somehow prove yourself innocent. In the meantime they can be using it, selling it, or whatever the hell they want. Uh Uh, I call BS on the whole idea from the get-go.
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On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 05:20:07 GMT, "FBR"

Well it can be illegal to have knowledge of a crime and fail to report it. You also have some accessory type concepts. My problem with what was laid out though, is that it goes well beyond that and is basically guilt by association, and that is not to be tolerated.
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Now, honestly tell me, what does someone doing a BURN OUT have to do with them street racing?
When I drive anything with a little power & attitude people always yell for me to 'Burn 'em. Either that or give the hand signal for it. Doing burn outs does not mean your racing,or about to race.
When I'm having a bad day, roasting off $50 in tread seams to make me feel better, and be nicer. Who should care, after all it's MY money I'm wasting. Charles
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NYC: Show your PBA card and the problem goes away. LOL!
Seriously, if you know the crowd is up to no good, why stay there? When you were a kid and a group of kids looked like they were doing something wrong, what should you have done? Walked away, dissociate, because in the end, you're going to get wrapped up in it. If you're out of it, you're not part of the problem.
There are plenty of venues to hang out and chat/compare notes about cars. Many cities have cruise nights at parking lots and the like. These are peaceful gatherings, and ya, there are always some yokels that spoil it for everyone.
The world doesn't need to know that you think your machine is all that. There are nicer cars there. Just be yourself and people will respect you more for it.
Racing never appealed to me in any way...still doesn't. Joe--ASE Certified Parts Specialist & 10th Ann.Club Tech Director '80 Carousel Red Turbo T/A, 27k orig. '79 "Y89" 400/4 speed 10th Ann. T/A, 57k orig '84 Olds 88 Royale Bgm 2 dr, 307 "Rocket" (lol), 143k and still going....
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When I wasa kid Ididn't go around trashing peoples stuff. Not because I was worried about getting in trouble, no. Gettingin trouble was of no consequence to me. I respected other peoples property. For the most part I always have and always will.
When I was younger I did run with the bad crowd. Still have many a friend low places. I just make sure if the shit hits the fan, I'm splatter proof.
Now when it comes to things like burn outs, Yea I do them. I still street race in a mild form. I rarely drive at or under the posted speed limit, and do other bad things, like hunt out of season, and off road on pipe line properties. GuessIm just the root of all evil.
For me Racing is part of my automotive business. If My business partner or my self are not personally involved in a motor sports project of some kind, we are supply parts or car for someone whom is. Out of every 10 cars we sell, 1 either becomes a race car, or parts car for one. Not all of that is drag or stock car racing either.
For me having a powerful ride, with out ever competing against someone else is no fun. Charles
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For each his own :). I want to recreate time. Make it look like it did in 1979 again. Only better :).
In turn, this is something that takes know-how, just like building anything good. I want it to look and act like it belongs :).
Joe--ASE Certified Parts Specialist & 10th Ann.Club Tech Director '80 Carousel Red Turbo T/A, 27k orig. '79 "Y89" 400/4 speed 10th Ann. T/A, 57k orig '84 Olds 88 Royale Bgm 2 dr, 307 "Rocket" (lol), 143k and still going....
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snipped-for-privacy@aol.com (Bigjfig) wrote in message...

Sometimes yes, sometimes no. Remember in the 80's when folks raced along Francis Lewis Blvd in Queens? A PBA card did nothing back then, and even today can be of questionable value. ESPECIALLY if you get pulled over by the Highway boys. But even then the boys in blue from the 109th and 111th used to be pretty tough on any kind of BS along Francis Lewis.
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For good reason, because Queens is a large pit of a borough. Too dang big, crowded and messy. LOL.
Depending on who you know, the PBA card works. Things like "SGT" or "Delegate" on your card usually mean something to most guys.
(Hint: The latter guy is involved with pensions/affairs, etc, and most guys won't mess with those).
You shouldn't expose yourself to trouble in any case. Stay away from trouble and it tends to stay away from you.
What value is there to street racing? None, it just shows how immature a person really is, nothing more.
Joe--ASE Certified Parts Specialist & 10th Ann.Club Tech Director '80 Carousel Red Turbo T/A, 27k orig. '79 "Y89" 400/4 speed 10th Ann. T/A, 57k orig '84 Olds 88 Royale Bgm 2 dr, 307 "Rocket" (lol), 143k and still going....
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Depending on your attitude, the PBA card works. Attitude is everything.
If you think Queens is a pit, you can say the same for Brooklyn and Staten Island. Most of the Bronx is, and Manhattan you should NOT be driving or owning a car if you live south of 96 street.
As far as the PBA card goes, if you're asked who gave you a card, it helps if you know a name, precinct and these days w/ cell phones a telephone number. SGT, Delegate etc or even a badge number is cool, but you better know a person.
And I agree about the immaturity aspect. But once in a while you get caught doing something stupid even when you think you're all by yourself on a quiet road. And there's Highway 1 or Highway 3 just waiting quietly.
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Betcha ass I have all of that info ON the card. LOL. And I have multiple ones if needed.
However, I don't make it my business to NEED to show them. Again, stay out of trouble, it tends not to find you.
You can't compare Queens to say Staten Island, or even Brooklyn. Queens is vast, dirty, and way too crowded.
Rule #1: If there's a subway near by or bus stop, you are guaranteed filth to come with it. Make sure where ever you live the bus is far enough away so you don't hear/see it, but close enough if you need it :).
Joe--ASE Certified Parts Specialist & 10th Ann.Club Tech Director '80 Carousel Red Turbo T/A, 27k orig. '79 "Y89" 400/4 speed 10th Ann. T/A, 57k orig '84 Olds 88 Royale Bgm 2 dr, 307 "Rocket" (lol), 143k and still going....
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Agree mostly regarding the Subway.
Some would disagree regarding comparing Queens to Staten ISland and Brooklyn. Staten Island was a literal garbage dump for years. And around Great Kills on a bad day it still stinks. But then again so does the pile of garbage off 95/Pelham Pkwy in the Bronx, and that pile of old garbage in Brooklyn along the Belt near Starrat <sp[?> City.

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Dump on SI has been closed. It's Fresh Kills, not Great Kills. Some of the houses on SI go for insane money and make Brooklyn and Queens look like a value :).
Brooklyn: No parking, dirty, crowded, alternate side of the street rules, attitude, and everything else.
Ditto: Queens and the Bronx. As for Manhattan, if you want to pay $2k a month to live a shoe box, your perogative :).
Joe--ASE Certified Parts Specialist & 10th Ann.Club Tech Director '80 Carousel Red Turbo T/A, 27k orig. '79 "Y89" 400/4 speed 10th Ann. T/A, 57k orig '84 Olds 88 Royale Bgm 2 dr, 307 "Rocket" (lol), 143k and still going....
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Different people might be at a gathering for different reasons. Some might be because of the illegal racing. Others may not even know if there will end up being any racing and don't care if there is or not. They're there for the socializing or any number of reasons besides anything involving illegal racing. It's wrong to apply guilt by association alone. And it should not be done. Period.
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Andy Warren spilled my beer when they jumped on the table and proclaimed in

Erm.
In order for it to be declared unconstitutional, the trial and appeals would need to go to the Supreme Court...
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