compare third and fourth Gens

Isn't it harder to work on the eingines on 4th gen compared to 3rd gens?

4th Gens are defiantly much harder to work on, and also harder to get in and out of. To me it was worth it to get an LT1 with a 6 speed. - Gary

If you're trying to save money, get a 3rd gen and then drop an LS1 and a 6 speed in. It's been done. They just had an article in chevy hi-po on dropping an LS1 in a 3rd Gen. You can get the parts in a kit.

-Bruce

OH! Wouldn't it be nice to ???????????// Drop in a current model V-8 with turbo and 6-speed tranny in an '84 with functioning cold-air induction hood scoop?

But How?

Fire-TA

84 T/A w/ T-Tops

No, not the same at all.

I'm with you. I've been in and out of 1,000's of 3rd and 4th gens and never noticed this. Perhaps it has to do with size.

On the topic, I perfer the ride of the 4th gens much better. The 3rd gens handled well but must have only had 3 inches of wheel travel. I think the build quailty was a little better in the 4th gen.

If you look more closely at the hatch, you'll see that it's significantly shorter front-to-back than a 3rd gen hatch. I believe the windshield was not only pulled forward at the bottom, but pulled back at the top. KennyH

Horsepower is cheaper than therapy.

I've been told that the 4th gen seats are not nearly as comfy as the 3rd gen. I was looking to replace my worn 3rd gen seats with some from a 4th gen, since they will just bolt in, but was discouraged because of comfort issues. KennyH

Horsepower is cheaper than therapy.

I love your sig line man. Have for a while. Hope you don't mind if I steal it for a bit. (not for use in here mind you.)

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OK. I'll admit I am guilty assuming. Now that I think about it, I don't really remember the last time I got into a 3rd gen car. I just know that I owned my 96 for about two weeks before I learned how to get into it without hitting my head. I stand corrected. - Gary

I owned a 3rd generation "Z", with the LT-1 engine. I now own a 4th generation "SS" with the LS-1 engine. No comparison in engines. Seemed like the LT-1 would stop really pulling strong around 4500 rpm. The LS-1 will pull strong until red line.-That's my choice.

There was never an LT1 in a 3rd gen F car. 1993 was the first time the F car saw an LT1 and that's 4th generation.

Personally, I wouldn't buy a 3rd or 4th generation vehicle. Too generic and nondescript for me.

If I buy a Pontiac, I want a Pontiac. I don't want a Chevrolet engine in it. I want what the Camaro doesn't have. That's why I own second generation cars. They had enough common parts to keep things simple but a 2nd generation Camaro and Firebird are vastly different.

There's no comparing a 1979 Z to a 1979 Trans Am. The T/A was light years ahead in style, flair, options, pizzazz, marketing and popularity. They are also rarer & tend to fetch more if well optioned. Can't get Pontiac V8 power in a Chevrolet Camaro (until 1980).

Back in the 70's, Chevy gave up on the performance market and chalked it off. Pontiac gave the government a middle finger, beat them at their own game and INCREASED horsepower through the smog era and the Trans Am never lost its roots through the second generation.

While I like the Camaro, it's lackluster in my book compared to the Trans Am of my vintage.

I remember my dad telling the salesman in 1979 when we were going to buy a 1979 Trans Am that he could skip any 403 powered products as my dad told him that if he wanted an Oldsmobile, he would buy a 98 or a Delta 88. Pontiac product, Pontiac power. LOL

I prescribe to this as well. No 403's or corporate power in my fleet. Even my Olds Delta 88 is "righteously" powered having an Oldsmobile V8 in an Oldsmobile product.

If you go into a bar and pay for a Becks, wouldn't it suck if you got a Piels instead and the bartender said, "Same shit, both get you wasted, what are you bitching about, shut up and pay????" Joe--ASE Certified Parts Specialist & 10th Ann.Club Tech Director '80 Carousel Red Turbo T/A, 26k orig. '79 "Y89" 400/4 speed 10th Ann. T/A, 57k orig '84 Olds 88 Royale Bgm 2 dr, 307 "Rocket" (lol), 141k and still going.... '80 T/A project car...

Actually there were a limited number of Camaro police interceptors made in

1992 with LT1's The state of California bought five for evaluation. One was actually stationed at the CHP office down the street from me. The officer who drove it told me it constantly overheated in the summer, and he went through three transmissions in the two years he drove it. His car is now on display in the CHP museum in Sacramento.

I totally agree. A real Pontiac should have a real Pontiac engine. The first really nice car I ever owned was a '69 Firebird. It only had a 350, but I still grew to have great respect for Pontiac V-8's. Putting anything else into any Pontiac is a travesty. - Gary

"> If I buy a Pontiac, I want a Pontiac. I don't want a Chevrolet engine in it. I

In the 70's each GM division had their own engine, parts, ECT. Not any more. Not after GM got sued for installing Olds engines, in Buicks, or some switch like that. On any GM Engine, the sticker NOW says "Made for GM to be installed in any GM product" The 4th generation Camaro (which the 1st year was '97, not '93) and the Firebird are basically the same. You could take the engine, trans, complete drivetrain from both a Firebird and a Camaro of the same year; you wouldn't be able to tell me which was which. They were built just like we build the suv's at the GM plant in Oklahoma City. Before the body is married to the frame, the Chevy Trailblazier, the GMC Envoy, and the Isuzu Avenger, they are exactly the same. Same frame, same trans., same engine, same everything. The only way that we can tell the difference is by looking at the manifest. (I know this is not about Firebirds-Camaros, just wanted to give a point of view) The 4th generation Camaro did start in

1997. I had a '94 it was the 3rd generation; GM changed the body style in '97-the 4th generation.

Sorry, your information is incorrect. The end of the 3rd gen f-body was

1992, therefore the 4th generation f-body started in 1993. You are referring to the 5th generation f-body which started in 1998.

-Bruce