FS 1979 Blackbird 6.6 Parts Car

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item $93082767
On e-bay motors. Panels are too rusty to restore but LOTS of good parts.
T-tops, Snowflake wheels, 6.6 block and heads. Hood, spoilers front and rear and nose.
100.00 starting bid, no reserve. Hope someone can use it.
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Um, there is no 400 big block Pontiac. That's #1 :). Secondly, this vehicle has an Oldsmobile motor in it, which would be a 403 in all reality based on the photo. And, that's not a big block either :). LOL.
Might yield a part or two for someone's restoration though.
Joe--ASE Certified Parts Specialist & 10th Ann.Club Tech Director '80 Carousel Red Turbo T/A, 27k orig. '79 "Y89" 400/4 speed 10th Ann. T/A, 57k orig '84 Olds 88 Royale Bgm 2 dr, 307 "Rocket" (lol), 143k and still going....
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You're right on the 403, but I would condsider this a big block motor since it is a larger series than the 307/350 small block. Not the same as the 455 though, so maybe a "Medium" block?
CCC

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Do you know why They call Chevy Small Blocks Small Blocks? They are Psychically SMALLER Externally then the other 2 V8 GM offered from 1958 to 1974 in cars. Those would be the W Block 348 & 409, and the Big Block Chevy.
Buick-Olds-Pontiac & Cadillac do not use that designation on their engines.
Fords do. 289, 302, 351 Cleveland, 351 Windsor Are Small Blocks. 351 Modified, 400 Modified, 360 (truck engine), 390, 427,428,429 (all 5 versions), & 460 are Big Blocks.
Chrysler does as well. Technically the V-10 is a Extended Block, based off the 360. Chrysler Small Blocks: 273, 318, 360. RB Blocks like the 383 and the 440 are Big Blocks. Hemi's are their own classification, as are the Max Wedge Motors.
Knowing this will help you sell more cars. Charles
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he didnt say a big block, he just said a 6.6 block, but yes he needed to specify what 6.6 block,
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I believe the Ebay ad stated the car had a "6.6 big block in it". Yet, there is what appears to be an Oldsmobile 403 in the vehicle, which is NOT a big block.
And there isn't a 400 Pontiac big block either :).
2 strikes thus far :).
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I'm sure Joe and some of the others will correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe all the cars designated "6.6" were actually 403 small block Oldsmobiles. 400 Pontiac's were all had "400" marked on the hood scoop.
Gary

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The 6.6 Litre designation started in '77. 6.6 Litre = Olds 403 or the 'low performance' / standard L78 Poncho 400 (180 hp) T/A 6.6 = "high performance"/ W72 Pontiac 400 ( 188 hp)
If I remember correctly.
Stan

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Stan is 100% correct.
Gary: 1976 and earlier were designated in cubic inches on the scoop, 1977 and up are metric displacement.
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I stand corrected. I guess I just remembered the 400 originally being referred to as 6.5 Liters on the old GTO's back in the 60's and assumed that 6.6 meant it was the slightly larger Oldsmobile.
Gary

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6.5 Litre is a 389, not the 400. Pontiac stuffed 389's in GTO's from 1964 to1967. I believe the 400 wasn't offered in the GTO until 1968. The 389 is just as potent as a 400. Although setting the linkage up correctly on 3 -2 Ventri (barrel) carbs is a pain in the rear.
Charles Wouldn't 3 Throttle body injector set up's be wild under the old Three-Duces air cleaner?
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The 400 replaced the 389 in 1967. I know for a fact the "6.5 Litre" fender badge was used at least thru 1969.
Gary

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I've seen 400 Pontiac engines with the displacement moniker Gary describes, so I believe he is correct.
Gotta remember that in circa 1979, power was down, so GM tried to put some puffery in the engine marketing.
Things like "This year's (1977) 400 puts out the same basic horsepower and torque as last year's 455" (but sucks just as much gas. LOL). Any Pontiac 400 can be made to run, it's just a matter of some smarts. All are good motors.
With that in mind, GM put "6.6 Litre" on the 403 and low po 400, and "T/A 6.6" on the W72 400 as mentioned prior.
The T/A 6.6 was a "package" of special things for an L78 400 that made it unique for the Trans Am. Windage tray, specific camshaft, better exhaust, more attention to assembly processes, etc.
Having the 6.6 litre moniker on the scoop was more for effect and WOW than anything else. LOL.
Fact is that a 400 Pontiac is a good and rare one to have these days.
(Goes downstairs to his garage and smiles at numbers matching 400/4 speed TATA :) )
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Joe:
Here is a question. Why would GM lable a 400 as a 6.5 Litre, then years later lable it as a 6.6 Liter? The 400 is roughly 6.554 Liters (in GM talk that is 6.6). Where as the 389 is 6.347 Liters.
I know of 4 67 GTO's that have their orginal 389 "Tri-Power" engines. Charles BTW: in the 60's thru the erly 80's GM labeled some cars with "Litre".
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Answer: Marketing. Power was down in '79, emissions were up, had to sell it some way.
Along with that came the metric craze of the 70's, so the term LITRE (French/International) took shape.
Remember the old liter to conversion? 4.9 liter could be a 301, but 5.0 was a 305, or could be a 307? LOL.
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Yea I remember. I also remember a funny story. I knewa guy that had a mid 80's Caddy & a mid 80's olds delta 88. Both had olds 403 engines. Because he could get parts forboth at the caddy dealer, he went around telling people he had a olds with a caddy engine. This same lamer owned a all stock 86 T/A. I tired to rescue it from his ownership, but he thought it was worth about $10,000 in 1996, whenit was worth $1,500. Only because it was a odd ball 86 TPI car. Charles I strongly hate cars with mixed metric & standard head fasteners in the same general area.
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He must have swapped in the 403s, as 1979 was the last year, and it wasn't ever used in a Cadillac.
If you can remember, the early Caddy Seville had a 350 fuel injected engine. This was actually an Olds 350 with fuel injection. However, it was marketed as a Cadillac engine.
Look up most parts for it and they share their roots with a 350 vin R 4 barrel Oldsmobile engine :). Joe--ASE Certified Parts Specialist & 10th Ann.Club Tech Director '80 Carousel Red Turbo T/A, 27k orig. '79 "Y89" 400/4 speed 10th Ann. T/A, 57k orig '84 Olds 88 Royale Bgm 2 dr, 307 "Rocket" (lol), 143k and still going....
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Actually, one minor correction:
1977 W72 0 hp 1978-79 W72"0 hp due to better cam and exhaust setup.
188 was never a W72 HP rating from 1977 to 1979. Joe--ASE Certified Parts Specialist & 10th Ann.Club Tech Director '80 Carousel Red Turbo T/A, 27k orig. '79 "Y89" 400/4 speed 10th Ann. T/A, 57k orig '84 Olds 88 Royale Bgm 2 dr, 307 "Rocket" (lol), 143k and still going....
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On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 15:21:58 GMT, "BAD 4 GOOD" <BAD 4

Wow. A whole 8 hp? -- lab~rat >:-) Do you want polite or do you want sincere?
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The '77 W72 was 200hp. The '78-'79 W72 was 220 hp.
The Olds 403 was 180-185 hp (depending on where you read it).
40 ponies out of the box on a 70's engine is a BIG deal. LOL :) Joe--ASE Certified Parts Specialist & 10th Ann.Club Tech Director '80 Carousel Red Turbo T/A, 27k orig. '79 "Y89" 400/4 speed 10th Ann. T/A, 57k orig '84 Olds 88 Royale Bgm 2 dr, 307 "Rocket" (lol), 143k and still going....
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