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I was told to ask you two for help. I posted a question here about doing a disc brake swap on my 67' Malibu. Several years ago I was lead to believe the 70' Camaro steering knuckles were a potential swap for
the 67 Chevelle's. Both are forward positioned tierods whereas the 67-9 Camaro's were on the rear. I had a 69' Camaro so I know that part's true. But ther is NO way this knuckle I have will fit. I posted the casting numbers for the RH knuckle and caliper in the other post. I only have a Chevell parts book, I gave the Camaro book away when I sold it last year. I sure hope you guys can get me back on track, I just replaced the upper A-arm bushings and was about to install the new parts when my measurments told me I was screwed. Thanks for any help, Phantom
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I don't have the data needed here with me, give me a day or two and ill get the info and post it here in the group. Charles
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There are several ways to go:
Buy a Master Power Conversion kit (among others out there) out of the box and bolt it on (best way for a novice).
Look it up on the web (this has been done before) and find a site with what someone went through. Make your list based on that.
Go to a junkyard and look up in a Hollander interchange manual what parts are required. You could look up a 67 Malibu that would have had disc brakes and then make your parts list from there. It will tell you what cars stock used the same parts as a disc Malibu. That's your hit list of donor cars.
Usually the F cars share stuff with the X cars (Nova, Ventura, Apollo, Omega) more so than the early '67 and down A cars like you have.
Joe--ASE Certified Parts Specialist & 10th Ann.Club Tech Director '80 Carousel Red Turbo T/A, 27k orig. '79 "Y89" 400/4 speed 10th Ann. T/A, 57k orig '84 Olds 88 Royale Bgm 2 dr, 307 "Rocket" (lol), 143k and still going.... '91 S10 Blazer 4.3Z
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Basically that's what I had done back when I bought that subframe. I even spoke to MP Brakes to see that I could get the rest of what I needed from them. Their kit is about $800 and I'm sure worth every penny. But it's not worth that much to me to have disc brakes. This car has 200K on it and is a daily driver in the warmer months here in NY. I just thought it would be a worthwhile improvement if I could do it with donor parts. It's quite tough finding anything that old around here. Most parts I picked up in the Carolina through Hemmings. I don't know for sure these parts were from a 70' subframe. that's just what the seller stated back when I bought it.I was doing the upper bushing and decided it was time to do the conversion and when I got it open enough for the measurements I was screwed. Thanks for the reply, hopefully someone else out there has been down this road also.
On 22 Jul 2004 10:24:47 GMT, snipped-for-privacy@aol.com (Bigjfig) wrote:

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Thanks Charles
On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 03:42:18 GMT, "Charles Bendig"

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Ok I checked out the conversion. Either you need 66 to 67, or 69 to 72 A body Spindles. Those are getting a little hard to come by these days. A-Bodies are Chevelle/Malibu/300Delux/Bumount, Tempest/T-37/Lemans/GTO, F-85/Cutlass, Skylark/GS/GSx. As Well as El-Camino/GMC Sprint.
The disks (rotors) calipers, hardware kits, and brake pads for 69-72's can still be purchased from GM. The rubber flex hose all parts houses should carry. The brake master cylinder is still available from GM. That leaves you needing a power booster, proportioning valve, and spindles. The power booster from a 69-72 will work. So will the proportioning vale.
If I had the parts, I would charge $350 for them including new rotors and flex hoses. I'm currently out of them. I sell every set I have with in a week. Charles
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The proportioning valve can be ordered through AC Delco using the long GM #, same part, usually a bit better on price.
The disks, calipers, master, and booster are all available at any parts store. Just specify the applications Charles gave you and whatever is shown stock for that is what you want.
The spindles are either GM (if still available) reproduction (if made), or good used ones, which are becoming harder to find as Charles stated.
Beyond that, it's standard boiler plate type GM parts. Nothing to it.
Good work on Charles' part...bravo! Joe--ASE Certified Parts Specialist & 10th Ann.Club Tech Director '80 Carousel Red Turbo T/A, 27k orig. '79 "Y89" 400/4 speed 10th Ann. T/A, 57k orig '84 Olds 88 Royale Bgm 2 dr, 307 "Rocket" (lol), 143k and still going.... '91 S10 Blazer 4.3Z
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Charles and Brian, Thanks a bunch for your help. My new research has also found the 70' spindles can be used with special tubular upper A-arms. My 67' Drum spindles can be altered slightly and be used with new steel caliper mounting plates. Also 67-69' F-body spindles can be used but are installed with the tierod arm faceing forward instead of to the rear as they are on Camaros. The spindles themselves are the same so are reversible. Now to make a choice. I have the master cylinder, booster already. Guess I'll be watching online auctions for the next week or so. On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 21:10:03 GMT, "Charles Bendig"

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The reason not you use 67-69 F, or 68-74 X body spindles is you have to change steering arms. Which are bolted to the spindles (diferance between front & rear steer) Which ever spindles you use, you need DISC BRAKE steering arms! (BTW no returns on 67-69 interchanges from A to F bodies where people DID NOT Listen).
As for 1970 Spindles they are the bsmake from 69-72. The 1968 units very slightly (bastard year, spindle wise). You do noot need tubular A-arms or nothing fancy, unless YOU want them. Ill lay cash money on this. Big bills too. Charles (I only take sure bets)
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Charles I sure as hell don't doubt what you are saying but I also do not understand your last paragraph
" As for 1970 Spindles they are the bsmake from 69-72. The 1968 units very slightly (bastard year, spindle wise)" The 70 spindles (Camaro) are 1 3/4" taller between the upper and lower ball joint mounting surfaces. So then the A-arms are out of parallel. The length of the steering arm is 1/2" longer on the 70' Camaro spindle and NOT removable, so the steering would be a little slower(more turns lock to lock) The ball joints need to be Camaro due to the different taper on the stud portion. My Chevelle parts books shows no difference in the steering arm between drum and disk in each year (67 is 3894488-left and 3894487-right). The Chevelle uses the same spindle on both sides in each year (67 is 396651 disc 396659 drum) but there are different ones for disc and drum and different ones for different years from 64 -74. Maybe I'm just slow but the more information you guys provide me the more I'm getting confused. I've never done this conversion but I;m no novice to mechanical things either. Sorry if I'm makeing this longer than need be. MY take right now is to forget using the 70' Camaro setup(which I have complete) and go with 67' Chevelle (which I have to buy). Can you try to spell it out for this thick person(Me) one more time? Thanks again, George.
On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 08:14:42 GMT, "Charles Bendig"

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Ok George here we go.
Toss out the 70 Camaro Stuff, do not even look back at it!
You have to use either 66 thru 67 or 69-72 A-Body parts, SKIP 1968 parts. You can use 67 thru 69 F-body parts, or 68 thru 74 X body parts. F & X body parts require the steering arm to be changed. As A-bodies are FRONT steer, and F&X are REAR Steer.
A-body cars: Chevelle, Malibu, Delux 300, Beumount. Tempest, T-37, Lemans, GTO. F-85, Cutlass, Hurst Olds Skylark,GS Elcamino GMC Sprint
F-Body cars: Camaro Firebird, Trans-am
X-body cars: Nova, Chevy II Ventura & 1974 GTO (1974 ONLY!) Omega Apollo
Those Spindles fit and are a direct bolt in. No un-needed upper A-arm replacements. No turning of ball joints. Charles
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Charles, once again thanks for the information and your patience. I appreciate all the data I got here from others as well. Now the hunt begins................."here little spindle, come to PaPa"
On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 20:36:53 GMT, "Charles Bendig"

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Not a problem. This is the sort of stuff I prefer to deal in. If I had a set, or one of the local classic yards did, I would offer to sell them to you. There's a yard in California called Memory Lane. They should have them. I have bought from them before. Charles
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My son lives in LA and I actually was to that yard about 3 years ago. I was trying to find the quarterpanel pinchweld clips that attach the stainless trim around the back of the convertible top. At the time none were available aftermarket. They didn't have any ragtops thought but I finally found them from Restoration Specialties. I just found someone local who has a complete set of spindles I'm negotiating with. Bigfig had made me a great offer on his spindles but I need all the other stuff too. I have see how this works out first.
On Sat, 31 Jul 2004 22:31:37 GMT, "Charles Bendig"

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Joe had a set all along! That dog! I could have bought and resold them 4 or 5 times this month.
I thing as a group (or for as long as Idon't go to prison again), we aught to make Joe list the rare parts he has and doesn't need.
Charles
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Huh???? Joe doesn't have any spindles for sale! LOL.
(And if I had 'em, they'd be cleaned and stored away for future use).
C'mon Charles, ya know that you'll need it one day. My uncle told me that my cousin (who does film work) might be interested in the 80 Firebird parts car for some cable "restoration show".
Guy claims he can restore cars for $5,000. Of course, we all know that "restoration" varies in degree, quality, and "words of art". LOL.
We'll see. I'll sell it to Hollywood for the right price, not a dime less. LOL. Joe--ASE Certified Parts Specialist & 10th Ann.Club Tech Director '80 Carousel Red Turbo T/A, 27k orig. '79 "Y89" 400/4 speed 10th Ann. T/A, 57k orig '84 Olds 88 Royale Bgm 2 dr, 307 "Rocket" (lol), 143k and still going.... '91 S10 Blazer 4.3Z
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"Ill need it some day" is what I said when I saved a 1957 Corvette distributor. One to sell it at a swap meet 10 years later for a mear $5.00. That's also what I said with all those parts Ikept from an 87 Cavalier 4 cylinder 4 door that I stripped ot the bone in 1995. Some times you just save the wrong parts.
I thought your parts car was a 77 to 79 400 CID car? As such I would;t let some one haggle you on the price. Charles (who probably saves more stuff then Joe has room for).
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I saved Oldsmobile Cutlass parts because I had one and a colleague at my neighbor's garage (an older man) had an '81 that he loved.
Between us we could build/modify just about any 81 to 88 style Cutlass, we had so many parts between us. If we needed something, we'd check with each other.
Once he needed a marker light and called me at 5 a.m. to ask about it. I knew I had it out in the shed in the bottom of the box, and it was cold and damp. Sure enough, I had it right in that exact spot, good as new! Mailed it out to him and he was happy as a clam.
Back in '94, he moved to Huber Heights, OH with his son and died shortly thereafter. The '81 was sold (it was offered to me, but I didn't need it) and I wound up with all the parts. Got rid of them on Ebay last year, and did just fine---sold 'em to a military man, giving him a discount on other stuff I had just because he does the fine job of defending our country.
The parts car is a 1980 Turbo (originally) WS6 T-top car which now has a '77 LeMans 400 based on me running the codes and VIN # stamp on the engine. The front end nose piece is a 77/78 unit. A low po (in theory) 180 hp motor. Easily made "hi po" and someone started to do that :).
Joe--ASE Certified Parts Specialist & 10th Ann.Club Tech Director '80 Carousel Red Turbo T/A, 27k orig. '79 "Y89" 400/4 speed 10th Ann. T/A, 57k orig '84 Olds 88 Royale Bgm 2 dr, 307 "Rocket" (lol), 143k and still going.... '91 S10 Blazer 4.3Z
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I used to be one of the local A & G body guys. Still am, but we have thinned out the heard some. Now I'm the a S-10 guy, that hordes 3rd gen parts and cars. One of these days I aught to show you some pics from the shop. I also horde Z-24 Cavalier stuff, and 82 to 87 C/K Truck stuff. When I had my house I had a 10x15x12 shed that was filled. Plus my garage. Heck at one time I had enough 68 to 72 nova stuff to make 3 73-74 nova's look cool.
Your buddy moved to my old stomping grounds. I only moved out of Huber Heights (huber-tucky) in February of 2003. I'm still in the area.
Your parts car sounds like someone had desires of coolness, and a car that probably had some damaged parts. Common around here. Also the sort of stuff we end up with. We even had a odd ball 2nd gen before. 1980 or 1981 Fire Bird that had a factory Chevy 305 with a Super T-10. Pulled the engine, and transmission. Sold the rusty and wrecked shell for around $500. Charles
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