I'm never happy when fuel prices go up.
I guess you all know fuel prices in Europe are higher, but I don't
think many people know how much higher : it's 1 euro/litre and 1
gallon = 4.54 litres.
So we pay $4.54/gallon and recently here in Belgium the government is
considering to increase the taxes on fuel drastically (!) in an
attempt to reduce the many traffic jams, the government figures high
fuel prices means less cars on the road.
No, I'm not happy either.
If the government isn't careful, they will be forcing everyone to go back to
the horse drawn carriages. Higher fuel cost equals higher fares for public
transportation. So who actually wins? Noone, gasoline companies lose,
automobile companies lose (except when new hybrids and fully electric cars
are in full production). When those types of vehicles are in, the traffic
jams have returned.
Here to get cars off the road they are increasing other fees...and
making tickets MUCH more expensive and adding other penalties.
For instance, here in Pennsylvania, this year there are 2 new laws
regarding tickets in construction zones:
- you now must have your headlights on. If not, you get a ticket,
about $100, well, acutally all fines are coubled in a construction
zone, so figure $200.
-And this past monday they started this one: get caught speeding at 11
or more MPH over the limit and you will lose your license for 15 days,
plus get a fine, doubled of course.
this is to save lives. I think that is a good idea..until you find out
that there have only been 2 fatalities in teh entire state in
conctruction zones in the past 5 years, and none for 2 years...
Life is hard.
Life is harder when you're stupid.
I think its a good idea if they fine you 10 times the amount of a regular
fine plus 6 months in jail if you drive like an idiot thru a contruction
zone. It could be one of your/my family members that gets killed !
this is to save lives
Most people don't realize that in "real" (i.e., inflation adjusted)
terms, gasoline was at an all-time low price in late 1998. Of course,
crude oil was also at an all-time low then (about $11/barrel - or 26
And per-mile cost of operating a vehicle in the US is near an all-time
low. Car prices are actually coming down in nominal, as well as real
terms. For example, and entry-level Saturn cost $12,000 in 1997, but
today an equivalent car costs $11,500.
Gasoline taxes in the US are one of the few taxes that are more or less
appropriate: both the feds, and most states, set the tax at a rate that
is sufficient to generate about enough revenue for roadway maintenance
Compare the rise in gas costs vs. the rise in health care costs over the
same period. I go to the doctor, sit in the waiting room for an hour. Go
back to the exam room, sit for 1/2 an hour. The doc comes in and takes my
temp, asks what my symptoms are and writes a script. His total time
invested: 15 minutes. My cost: $60...in addition to the $300/mo I pay for
insurance. Hey, is there another profession where I can make $240 an hour?
Indeed. And don't forget the salaries of the secretaries and accountants
and sales reps whose time can't be billed out. I certainly don't
begrudge entrepreneurs the profits they make from selling other people's
labour. Hell, how much of the risk did I take?
Sooner or later, I'd like to be in my ex-boss's shoes, but the ugly
truth is that for every consulting firm that makes it, 4 or 5 fail. It's
not an easy gig.
Explain why 13 wells had to be shut down in the Lake Tahoe area one of the
pristine areas of the planet. From what I've read locally MTBE is cheap,
but of coursed still raises the cost of fuel. No need to let a little
poison screw up the bottom line....
Explain why the EPA has pulled back on their recommendation of
MTBE and has sued the fuel companies for MTBE contamination
of groundwater? The EPA ought to be sued for mandating MTBE
use in the first place!
And that is why gas costs more, right? Because it is cheaper to
manufacture? You proved one of my points already.
What email? Isn't this the usenet?
Prove it. Please reference your statement to current medical records.
Your statement: "> Was it bad the MTBE got into some water supplies? Yes.
Did it hurt the
Your statement says that it did not harm 95% of the people. So what
happened to the other 5%? Changing your story and backpedling?
Added CO(1) and HC? I was saying ozone, but if you want to change the
subject so you sound like you actually know what you are talking about,
fine. Post a link to some independent test results. Post a link to
information stating that injuries related to ozone have DECREASED since the
introduction of MTBE. That is what I'm asking for. Too bad you didn't
Nice how you edited out my links to reliable information and the excerpts I
posted proving you to be wrong.
Your still dribbling,
Gas doesn't cost more. The component that is left after taxes and crude
prices is about the same. It has decreased to some degree because of
technology improvements, and increased to some degree due to increased
regulatory requirements. Adjusted for inflation, it has been fairly
mean-reverting, although not without significant volatility in some
My e-mail address is quite clearly a university. Hence, it is unlikely
that I work for an oil company.
You do understamd that cars do not create ozone, right? That they
produce precursor chemicals, such as Co and hydrocarbons that react in
the presence of sunlight and oxygen to create low-level ozone. Do you
The California Air resources Board is quite clear about the benefits
that have accrued from the use of reformulated gasoline.
Are you claiming that there is no benefit to be had from using RFG? I
believe the American Lung Association has a lot of good information on
the health hazards of low-level ozone. But I'm not going to do all the
work for you.
That statement doesn't make much sense. Do you mean "you're still
dribbling", or are you referring to a leak from a distillation device?
If you are, the phrase should be "your still is dribbling". But I don't
own a still.
I apologize for being snarky if English isn't your first language.
Sounds like this whole group is singing from the same prayer book. Do you
all have energy stock per chance... In 1951 you could buy a gallon of gas
for .19 to 21 cents ( I was there) and your average 51 Cadillac could get
about 16 to 20 miles per gallon. Some later models in the late 60's and
early 70's got lousy mileage more probably in the 8 to 12 mpg range.
Comparisons to European fuel costs are bullshit their problem is 90 percent
tax, and they're are goofy enough to go along with it. They think its
normal because they have been getting hosed for so long they think it's
normal. The Enron lesson sure didn't go far with you folks..
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