HELP ! 96 explorer MIL light on Jim ?

Okay here's the deal

96 Exploder 5.0 CEL came on , and I was *hoping* it was a loose gas cap.. .etc no luck.

So I scanned it and came up with the following

PO053 02 sensor slow response (bank2, upstream) PO402 EGR excessive flow P1150 Adaptive fuel at limit P1151 Lean 02 P0174 Bank 2 lean..

So, to see if the 02 sensor was *really* bad, I swapped bank 1 / 2 and reset the codes

Basically my 02 sensor codes were now on Bank 1, so being pretty confident that the 02 sensor WAS bad, I replaced it.

So now the only code I have is the P0402 EGR Excessive flow

The actual EGR valve looks like it's impossible to remove without pulling the intake, so I'm hesitant to just go after it without more info. I'm wondering HOW the computer comes to the conclusion that there is excessive flow. What I'm wondering is if I can bypass the EGR or sensor to narrow down what the cause is before I go after it.

Any suggestions are appreciated ! Thanks

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Chief Wiggum
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I checked the WSM to try to be sure we're on the same page.... nothing for diagrams and no mention of pulling the intake to change the valve...... I'm more familiar with the system on the pick-ups so I'll forge ahead with what I know.

Your EGR valve should have a plastic bodied sensor sitting on top, held on with three nuts. The PCM 'knows' how big the hole in the valve is, so it can compute EGR flow from how high the EGR valve pushes the pintle in the sensor. The PCM sees your pintle as being too high..... possibly carbon oin the valve but you don't mention any idle problems..... possibly sensor but this "should" have set the MIL on it's own (if it was part of a different problem).

Could be that the PCM was poking enough gas into the motor to carbon up the EGR but I recall the pre-OBD2 valves of that design loved setting phantom codes. What I would try would be to clear the KAM (the battery cable thing) and see what happens... especially if the valve looks like a booger to get at. If the code returns, try clearing it and driving with the vac line off to eliminate a problem with the regulator solenoid - I would expect an "insufficient flow" kinda code from doing this. If the excessive flow code returns, suspect the sensor, valve or connection..... if the insufficient flow code returns, suspect the vacuum regulator or circuit.

HTH Jim Warman snipped-for-privacy@telusplanet.net

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Jim Warman

Well I did the battery thing, and the code came back in short order..

I guess tomorrow I'll try running with vac disconnected and see what happens..

I have a " whatzit " question though..

I followed the lines from the EGR and there is a small tube that leads to a device mounted right by the coil pack.

it looks kind of like a film canister withe a screw off lid (althoght the lid in fact does NOT unscrew).. and it has an in and out vacuum line, as well as an electrical connection.

I assume it must be a valve / solenoid of some type, rather than a sensor as it didn't seem to set a code when I unplugged it... ???

Anyhoo... I think I'm closing in on the little bugger, but I fear I'm going to have to try to remove the EGR before it's all done... *maybe* I can get a 1/4 air ratchet behind the $@$# thing and pull it without removing the intake..... We'll see!

thanks for the tips!

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Chief Wiggum

That sounds like it would be the EGR Vacuum Regulator........ On later models, unplugging the connector would set a code (certainly a plus when having to diagnose a problem). I finally found a sketch of the valve.... phewww.

Looking at the system operation, the vacuum regulator is duty cycled..... if the regulator is sticky, it might also contribute to the problem (didn't think of that in my first reply). I'm stuck in a hotel in Edmonton - the one with only dial up access - but I'll try to watch for what you find with the vacuum hose...

Jim Warman snipped-for-privacy@telusplanet.net

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Jim Warman

Hi Jim,

Not sure about '96, but my '98 uses DPFE, not a position sensor. They fail quite often. When mine did, it read 'max flow'. Easy to troubleshoot - there is no chance for 'max flow' with the engine not even running... If it's a DPFE and the original poster has access to a scanner, that's the best option. In a pinch the connector can be back-probed and the output measured with a DVM.

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Happy Traveler

No DPFE on a 96...

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chief_wiggum

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