|Some additional thoughts and comments: | |The engine mass is to small: |It would seem to me that putting cardboard in front of the radiator |for additional heat in the wintertime would work. But it works |because something else is wrong and not repaired yet.
Dan, In comparison ( in my own defense ), I must say my 2003 Sable warms up and -stays- that way, even at highway speeds and Zero and below outside. Why is that ?
I did describe to you in some detail my *experiment* with a new Tstat in my 97 Tracer. That if left at idle, I could in time, maybe 15 to
20 minutes of idle, get 1/3rd scale in the Temperature Gauge. But the second I blew cold air over the engine by moving the car in gear, the needle would drop to dead cold and remain there. Why ?
I guess it is because it is such a small engine, it doesn't generate enough internal heat from combustion to over-ride the cooling effect of the cold air flow. You know, take a 25 watt soldering iron outside in Zero degree weather, and -try- to solder something with it. Just isn't enough heat there. It is carried away faster than it is generated. That is my theory, and I haven't seen anything come along yet to convince me it is incorrect, using my own vehicle as a
*control.*
| Otherwise Ford |would have complaints from everyone in a cold climate saying that the |car will not supply enough heat.
How do we know they don't? I have no idea one way or the other. I never complained to the dealer about it, but it did Pi$$ me off enough to trade in the car for something with a bigger engine.
| Think about it. If they sold |100,000 tracers (my guess) and .01% had defective housings, then 100 |cars would not give enough heat. Maybe 50 cars would be sold in |climates which were cold enough where people would complain. Maybe 5 |would complain and the issue would be fixed in or out of warranty. |Hell that ratio is just a cost of doing business. I doubt it if Ford |would do anything; just ignore it.
Yep, I agree, they would probably ignore it. However, I am sure they know about it. I can't believe they don't know about this *problem.* But since it isn't a Safety Issue, they aren't going to the expense of a recall. My advice for now is go to a hi-temp thermostat. Something around 180 degrees F. However, even then, it probably won't open. Engine is too small relative to airflow in Sub-Arctic temperatures. Unless you idle. But you don't buy a car to idle. You buy a car to drive. So the next best idea I can come up with is to restrict the airflow with cardboard or similar. Maybe even styrofoam.
| Just look at how long it took Ford |to do anything about the explorer. Oh well, enough of my bitching |about lack of heat when the temp hits the single digits. It will get |warm soon and then it won't matter until next year. Like all of us, I |will forget. | | | |You can't bypass the thermostat:
To my knowledge, which is limited to my anecdotal experinces.
|I would agree with you on my 99 camry, my 94 camry, my 92 roadmaster, |my 90 Stanza and all the other cars I have owned. However I would not |agree with you on my 91 merc tracer.
Mine was a 97, so I guess I can't argue this.
| Have you ever had the housing in |the palm of your hand and wonder why all the extra plugs and holes are |in it? Why is it so damn big? How come it rattles when you shake it? |What is inside to make it rattle? What was Ford thinking when they |designed it? Why is it $85 for a replacement?
65 dollars of replacement is LABOR CHARGE. rest is thermostat, about $12
Now if you are telling me the part price is $85, then we have a serious discrpancy here, as the Tstat for my 97 was $12 for the part.
|Ref a dash mounted control of coolant into the heater core. |My 91 tracer does NOT have a dash control for controlling the coolant |into the heater core.
Again, this is not the same as the 97 IIRC. As I no longer have the 97 or manuals for it, and have never even looked at a 91, there is no way for me to research this.
| There are no dash controls from heater core |inlet or outlet to the block which would limit the collect flow. The |dash control closes a door inside the heater box which directs cold |air to the heater core or bypasses the heater core.
It may be so. I just am not aware of it. No experience with 91.
| Having replaced |the leaking heater core I know this is true. I also made sure the |door was not sticking in a partially open position which would allow |cold air to bypass the heater core and give me colder air at the |dashboard heater outlets. By the way, I took me about 50 hours of work |to complete the job. Luckily my daughter was doing a semester |overseas for 4 months and I could disable the car for a couple of |months. Mfg wanted $1400 to replace the heater core.
That is where you have to make a decision, because the Kelley Blue Book value for the entire car is less than that.
Sorry about your problems. Just trying to help.
Lg