Amsoil and Non-API Licensing & Warrenty Issues

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Jeff wrote:


http://www.amsoil.com/lit/g2156.pdf for motorcycle oils (look at the last page) http://neptune.spacebears.com/cars/stories/amsoil.html
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The last page of the PDF just shows the Amsoil logo. The second from the last page shows a list of the test methodology. The third from the last page shows a notorized affidavit signed by an Amsoil employee in their home county in Wisconsin, note, they spelled Amsoil [Asmoil] wrong. Nothing independent here. Certainly nothing to support anything other than Amsoil hyping their own overpriced product.

"Where you'll find this comment from a Mr. Childers; Here we are at our first sample in the Mobil 1 re-test. Nothing unusual so far. It sure is nice to have a smooth-running engine again! The extra vibration from the over-thick Amsoil was getting annoying."
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On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 15:50:05 GMT, aarcuda69062

Nothing independent? Now I know people are just fighting for the sake of fighting. No matter how much proof there is, you just don't see anything but your own "proof"
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No, nothing. A paper authored by a company employee notarized in that companies home county hardly qualifies as anything other than self serving.

You have yet to provide any proof.
Fox guarding the hen house have any meaning to you?
BTW, why did you snip my reply to your second link, the one where the comment was made that the engine runs better and doesn't have an annoying vibration now that the Amsoil has been replaced with Mobil1?
Lastly, any legitimate professional mechanic can access pictures and text on i-ATN posted by the owner of Continental Imports in Gainsville Florida of a late model BMW that was sludged up from the owner using Amsoil. Clearly, this oil is not all it's made out to be and survives only by virtue of the brainwashing techniques its promoters use on hapless dupes such as yourself.
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On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 18:54:45 GMT, aarcuda69062

I have provided plenty.

Going to post a link, or is this just more Amsoil bashing? Anyone that knows anything about oil knows that synthetic oils no matter what brand can't cause sludge, because the dont contain any wax.
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Andy wrote:

Sludge is not necessarily formed from wax. And besides, the Amsoil XL product line is made from highly refined Group III Petroleum Oils (like Castrol Syntec).
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So are you going to post a link or not?
Yes Amsoil XL oils are Group III, which is why I don't use them.
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Andy wrote:

Link to what? I was only resposding to your assertion that synthetic oils can't form sludge. They certainly can. The blow-by (water, unburned hydrocarbons, etc) can combine with the oil to make a mess. On the other hand true synthetics (not the faux syynthetic Amsoil XL product line) are much more resistent to coking than petroleum based oils and therfore less likely to forn the yucky gummy crap that was clogging Toyota engines in the recent past.

Well it ironic that they went this route after trashing Syntec when it was first introduced and after years of touting the wonders of fully synthetic oil. They used to have a long BS explanation of why they used the Group III oil for the XL Line instead of a true synthetic, but in the end it pretty much could be distilled down to "because we can get away with it and make more money."
If you want links here are some I like:
http://theoildrop.server101.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic ;f=1;t9433 http://theoildrop.server101.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic ;f=1;t5992#000000 http://theoildrop.server101.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic ;f=1;t5986#000006
If is my personal opinion that there is nothing "wrong" with Amsoil, but that there is nothing particulalrly special about it either. The only way you can justify the high cost is to also buy the long drain interval claims. And these are bogus in my opinion - at least to the extent that there is something unique about the Amsoil products that allow them to last significaantly longer than other motor oils that meet the current service categories. And there is no way I am going to use non-API logo oil while my car is under warranty. The M-M Warranty act protects you if you don't use the manufacturer's oil but it doesn't protect you if you use oil that doesn't meet the manufacturer's specifications.
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To this place in Florida .
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What place in Florida?
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I cant give you a scientific test to show it, but I can give you a real life test to prove it. in 1988 I bought a ford superduty diesel. the body shop next to me bought the sister truck to use as a wrecker. both trucks were identical. both trucks had banks turbos put on them within 500 miles of purchase, within 1 week of each other. the first thing the body shop did was drop the oil, and put in amsoil synthetic. they were an amsoil dealer, and swore by it. I put valvoline all fleet plus in mine. by 1992, both trucks had about 45,000 miles on them. I did nothing but change my oil every 3,000 miles. they went with the amsoil recommended 5,000 mile oil change, and had to replace 4 turbos and 2 engines, due to lack of oiling. in late 92, they stopped selling amsoil, and switched to 5,000 mile oil changes using all fleet plus, and have not had any engine problems in 275,000 miles now.
oops, I just realized you wanted proof that spamsoil was good, not that it was garbage.

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A tow truck is under far greater stress than a non-tow truck is. You say they went with the 5,000 mile oil change that Amsoil recomends...well sorry, but Amsoil doesn't make an oil where they specify a 5,000 mile oil chanage.
That said, your probably just making the whole thing up trying to make Amsoil look bad an boost your ego.
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you are 100% correct spamsoil does not recommend a 5,000 mile oil change. ford does. boost my ego??? be realistic here. you could drop off 10 free tractor trailers full of your crap at my shop, and I still would not use it. I have seen way to many engines and turbos that were ruined by spamsoil to ever switch from tried and true valvoline all fleet plus. and with the 10k mile service on the large trucks,(over 30k lbs) and the 3k mile service on the small vehicles, (under 30k lbs) and 100 hour service on the heavy equipment, I use over 8,000 gallons of valvoline all fleet plus per year.

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snipped-for-privacy@optonline.net says...

I thought I had seen an extended drain interval mentioned on the Amsoil site, so I looked up the Amsoil 10w-30 change recommendations quoted here from the Amsoil web site:
"SERVICE LIFE AMSOIL Synthetic 10W-30 Motor Oil is recommended for extended drain intervals in unmodified(1), mechanically sound(2) gasoline fueled vehicles as follows:
? Normal Service(3) ? Up to 25,000 miles or one year, whichever comes first.
? Severe Service(4) ? Up to 15,000 miles or one year, whichever comes first.
? Replace AMSOIL Ea full-flow oil filter at the time of oil change up to 25,000 miles (other brands at standard OEM* intervals).
? In all other applications, extend the oil change interval according to oil analysis or follow the OEM* drain interval.
*OEM ? Original Equipment Manufacturer
(1) Where the engine or operating conditions have been modified from the original manufacturers? design, drain oil at the owner?s discretion or extend based on oil analysis. Examples include the use of performance computer chips; modified exhaust, fuel or air induction systems; and the use of fuels other than those recommended for normal operation by the manufacturers.
(2) Engines are in good working condition and within the factory design settings. Mechanically sound engines, for example, do not leak oil or consume excessive amounts, are not worn out, do not overheat, do not have internal or external anti-freeze leaks and have properly working emission control systems. AMSOIL recommends repairing malfunctioning engines prior to the installation of AMSOIL synthetic oils.
(3) Non-turbo/non-supercharged personal transportation vehicles frequently traveling greater than 10 miles at a time and not operating under severe service.
(4) Turbo/supercharged vehicles, commercial or fleet vehicles, extensive engine idling, first and subsequent use of AMSOIL engine oil in vehicles with 100,000 miles or greater, daily short trip driving (less than 10 miles), frequent towing, plowing or hauling heavy loads and frequent driving in dusty conditions."
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Crap? Sorry, but Amsoil isn't crap no matter how much you think it is. You must be the only one thats seen any damage caused by Amsoil. One of the local truck drivers has a Mack dump truck and has over 100k on Amsoil, and runs a good used oil analysis program. He does change the filters and top off as needed. Sounds like your in the pocket of Valvoline.
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well, think what you will. but so far in the three or so days this thread has gone on, there have been only 2 people that have stood up for spamsoil, and they were both dealers. ant the spamsoil dealers could not even get their stories rite.

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Good job on the spelling, and grow up already.
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ooh good come back.

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Oh, Andy, you have no right to condemn someone else's spelling when your spelling and punctuation is no better. Shame, shame!!
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