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Nuclear waste will be confined to the Yucca mountain site, as soon as the 'politics' of doing so is settled. That is a far more secure place of storing it then under six feet of water in the power plants as is the case
now.
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Zero, unless you allow the environmentalist idiots to file lawsuits claiming adding water to the environment is a disaster.
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joe schmoe <NG> wrote:

More waste than net energy output.
(since net energy output is less than zero...)
If practical fusion power DID exist, there would still be waste; the reactor vessel itself becomes radioactive over time, due to neutron emission. Even if you come up with practical aneutronic fusion, you'll still get some waste, though far less.
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wrote:

Bury it underground with all the nuclear waste the earth produced on its own.
Launch it into space and send it into the sun, all the while laughing at the environmentalist idiots who file lawsuits claiming that adding .0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% of nuclear fuel to the sun's mass is an environmental disaster.
Put it down michael jackson's pants.
Ship it to france, tell them it is from SH.
Allow the muslims in the world to experience first hand what a nuclear bomb does.
I am sure we can come up with more if we try.
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snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com wrote:

Theoretically, yes, but you don't understand modern business, which is good at taking things that have an inherent nature of lasting a lifetime and thinning things down, using less critical materials, etc. to last only as long as is economically optimum for themselves. All it takes is a little research for them to find out which part(s) or component(s) they can exactly control to make it fail at the prescribed time to end up having a break-even of about what it is with competing technologies.
But you're right - it will probably happen. Just like with other things, a lot will be promised in the beginning with a lot of genuine technical potential, but the results will be engineered and politicized and environmentallized to the point that it's no better than anything else.
Bill Putney (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my address with the letter 'x')
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The question is how new this technology is really There were electrical cars before combustion engine cars cam along Also these hybrid cars have been decades in development stage Lots of the companies have been trying to overcome probelms with pure electrical cars Always failing because of refueling problems, battery sizes and weight With a fuel cell and electrical car hybrid most problems are gone With oil and electrical hybrids as a medium term solution Toyota seems to be way ahead of the pack, Honda a good second with the rest scrambling to catch up Problem for most of the big companies is they have to get rid of old technologies, old plants, old workers, old bad image before they can start really down the road of the future with these new technologies They have for obvious reasons been dragging their feet of going in for these changes but they seem to have realized that if they do not do it then they will be stuck with all those old problems and nothing to replace it once the closures are a fact
So now we have started to see plants being closed down and plans for more closures
Question is where will the new plants be built, by whom and how fast will these changes take place
Who will live to make the change
Pretty exciting times ahead for us customers
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One thing is true about any new technology the owners are like the early pioneers, and you know how you could tell who the poineers were? They were the ones face down with arrows in there back.
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You can strike it lucky and you can gain a lot by being a pioneer The new technology may be faulty and you can get a faulty system The likelyhood of striking out is not very great because the companies are well aware that they have to create a good image and not let you get anything that brakes straightaway Ok at least some of them anyway The real problem at the moment is that the infrastructure of the country is not ready So you might not be able to travel very far away if you are into the most modern technologies and no place to get fuel
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Thanks for the crossposting, y'all. Plus all that incredibly informed discussion. Keep it up!
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Here is a shortlist of the most advanced Fuel cell companies
THE DAIMLERCHRYSLER F-Cell THE FORD FOCUS FCV GENERAL MOTORS Hy-wire and the HydroGen3 HONDAS FCX fuel HYUNDAI MOTOR COMPANY FCEV NISSANS TOYOTA FCHV VOLKSWAGENS Touran HyMotion
There is a well developed program that has been ongoing for more than a decade and there are several places in the world who are already playing an important part in utilizing these cars
California, USA California Fuel Cell Partnership is to facilitate members' placement of up to 300 fuel cell cars and buses into fleets and to promote hydrogen fueling stations to support them.
Hamburg, Germany is well placed to become one of the leading centres for development of products based on fuel cells.
Florida, USA hydrogen initiative with the production of eight hydrogen powered shuttle buses for use in the Orlando area
sland Icelands first hydrogen fueling station is already operating on the outskirts of Reykjavk. The hydrogen, which powers a small fleet of fuel cell buses, is produced onsite from electrolyzed tap water. Meanwhile the recently formed Icelandic New Energy-a consortium that includes automakers, Royal Dutch/Shell and the Icelandic power company Norsk Hydro-is planning to convert the rest of the island nation to a hydrogen system.
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Here is a shortlist of the most advanced Fuel cell companies
THE DAIMLERCHRYSLER "F-Cell" THE FORD FOCUS FCV GENERAL MOTORS' Hy-wire and the HydroGen3 HONDA'S FCX fuel HYUNDAI MOTOR COMPANY FCEV NISSAN'S TOYOTA FCHV VOLKSWAGEN'S Touran HyMotion
There is a well developed program that has been ongoing for more than a decade and there are several places in the world who are already playing an important part in utilizing these cars
California, USA California Fuel Cell Partnership is to facilitate members' placement of up to 300 fuel cell cars and buses into fleets and to promote hydrogen fueling stations to support them.
Hamburg, Germany is well placed to become one of the leading centres for development of products based on fuel cells.
Florida, USA hydrogen initiative with the production of eight hydrogen powered shuttle buses for use in the Orlando area
sland Iceland's first hydrogen fueling station is already operating on the outskirts of Reykjavk. The hydrogen, which powers a small fleet of fuel cell buses, is produced onsite from electrolyzed tap water. Meanwhile the recently formed Icelandic New Energy-a consortium that includes automakers, Royal Dutch/Shell and the Icelandic power company Norsk Hydro-is planning to convert the rest of the island nation to a hydrogen system.
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Here is a shortlist of the most advanced Fuel cell companies
THE DAIMLERCHRYSLER "F-Cell" THE FORD FOCUS FCV GENERAL MOTORS' Hy-wire and the HydroGen3 HONDA'S FCX fuel HYUNDAI MOTOR COMPANY FCEV NISSAN'S TOYOTA FCHV VOLKSWAGEN'S Touran HyMotion
There is a well developed program that has been ongoing for more than a decade and there are several places in the world who are already playing an important part in utilizing these cars
California, USA California Fuel Cell Partnership is to facilitate members' placement of up to 300 fuel cell cars and buses into fleets and to promote hydrogen fueling stations to support them.
Hamburg, Germany is well placed to become one of the leading centres for development of products based on fuel cells.
Florida, USA hydrogen initiative with the production of eight hydrogen powered shuttle buses for use in the Orlando area
sland Iceland's first hydrogen fueling station is already operating on the outskirts of Reykjavk. The hydrogen, which powers a small fleet of fuel cell buses, is produced onsite from electrolyzed tap water. Meanwhile the recently formed Icelandic New Energy-a consortium that includes automakers, Royal Dutch/Shell and the Icelandic power company Norsk Hydro-is planning to convert the rest of the island nation to a hydrogen system.
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Here is a shortlist of the most advanced Fuel cell companies
THE DAIMLERCHRYSLER "F-Cell" THE FORD FOCUS FCV GENERAL MOTORS' Hy-wire and the HydroGen3 HONDA'S FCX fuel HYUNDAI MOTOR COMPANY FCEV NISSAN'S TOYOTA FCHV VOLKSWAGEN'S Touran HyMotion
There is a well developed program that has been ongoing for more than a decade and there are several places in the world who are already playing an important part in utilizing these cars
California, USA California Fuel Cell Partnership is to facilitate members' placement of up to 300 fuel cell cars and buses into fleets and to promote hydrogen fueling stations to support them.
Hamburg, Germany is well placed to become one of the leading centres for development of products based on fuel cells.
Florida, USA hydrogen initiative with the production of eight hydrogen powered shuttle buses for use in the Orlando area
sland Iceland's first hydrogen fueling station is already operating on the outskirts of Reykjavk. The hydrogen, which powers a small fleet of fuel cell buses, is produced onsite from electrolyzed tap water. Meanwhile the recently formed Icelandic New Energy-a consortium that includes automakers, Royal Dutch/Shell and the Icelandic power company Norsk Hydro-is planning to convert the rest of the island nation to a hydrogen system.
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Here is a shortlist of the most advanced Fuel cell companies
THE DAIMLERCHRYSLER "F-Cell" THE FORD FOCUS FCV GENERAL MOTORS' Hy-wire and the HydroGen3 HONDAS FCX fuel HYUNDAI MOTOR COMPANY FCEV NISSANS TOYOTA FCHV VOLKSWAGEN'S Touran HyMotion
There is a well developed program that has been ongoing for more than a decade and there are several places in the world who are already playing an important part in utilizing these cars
California, USA California Fuel Cell Partnership is to facilitate members' placement of up to 300 fuel cell cars and buses into fleets and to promote hydrogen fueling stations to support them.
Hamburg, Germany is well placed to become one of the leading centres for development of products based on fuel cells.
Florida, USA hydrogen initiative with the production of eight hydrogen powered shuttle buses for use in the Orlando area
sland Icelands first hydrogen fueling station is already operating on the outskirts of Reykjavk. The hydrogen, which powers a small fleet of fuel cell buses, is produced onsite from electrolyzed tap water. Meanwhile the recently formed Icelandic New Energy-a consortium that includes automakers, Royal Dutch/Shell and the Icelandic power company Norsk Hydro-is planning to convert the rest of the island nation to a hydrogen system.
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I will rather drive my Toyota than some General Motors or Chrysler made piece of UAW made CRAP any day of the week bunkie.
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