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Oh my gosh - the ACLU would have claimed that that was a violation of someone's rights and it never would have been allowed. So instead, millions suffer all in the name of protecting what then were falsely claimed as "the rights" of a few.

Bill Putney (to reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my address with "x")

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Sting Ray

The report I heard siad that the places were staffed with nurses to administer the drugs - not just handing out clean needles - that much I do remember. I thought it was a legislated requirement (provincial or federal?), but maybe I heard wrong - in any case, law or no law, taxpayer money was being payed out to provide the "service" for those places that implemented the practice. Bill Putney (to reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my address with "x")

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Bill Putney

I think that the government's logic is that some incompetent & deluded nurse would "lower the number of addicts" just like we hear occasionally happening in hospitals around the world.

After all Euthanasia is "illegal" But only if it's caught right?

Gov't implements law allowing someone to become disgusted & frustrated with the system & then gov't washes their hands of the results when the inevitable results occur.

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Full_Name

Cute!

Actually, I'm just an inquisitive guy.

--Geoff

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Geoff

Although the plan sounds like a waste, the US war on drugs hasn't gone all to well either.

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Art

Hospitals certainly have a financial interest in disputing the numbers and the financial strength to do their own analysis. But to my knowledge they have not done so. Therefore, presumably the nunmbers are accurate.

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Art

What you fail to understand is the tort system is part of the solution. When businesses are sued, or realize that they might be sued, they tend to get better.... more efficient and safer. That has not happened in the medical profession. Over 100k patients are being killed every year in hospitals due to medical mistakes and the trend is apparently getting worse according to the newest figures. Arguably the system needs more lawsuits, not fewer, to encourage the hospitals to clean up their act and to become more efficient. That, my friend, is capitalism without the need of government regulation.

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Art

I can hear the screams of logic being tortured from here!

--Geoff

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Geoff

I think that you did.

Remember the old oil filter commercial "Pay a little now or a lot later"? The principle applies here. Pay a little now to provide clean needles and constant availability of rehab services. Or, pay a lot later to treat them and those they've infected when they have big, expensive diseases like Syphillis and AIDS.

It's a strategy known as "harm minimalization". The Netherlands example shows us it can be very effective at minimizing societal costs of drug abuse. It doesn't sit well with those who think drug abuse will cease to happen if they just make enough pious moral denouncements of drug addicts.

-DS

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Daniel J. Stern

Yes, in UK medical insurance for doctors has been rising substantially...

DAS

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Dori A Schmetterling

Unlikely. US designs got progessvely uglier...

Anyway, in which respect did Merc copy US car designs?

DAS

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Dori A Schmetterling

I just thought that I'd butt in here. I'm possibly going to be a doctor. Do you know how much liability insurance is for them? Anywhere from 53k a year on up to around 300k

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How about you try dealing with the human body? Next time you're sick don't go to a doctor, figure it out on your own and figure out the way to take care of it. These are people that go to school for around 8 years, give or take a few. When they're done on average they have around 100k in student loans. Then they go to internships where they're "only" supposed to work 80 hours a week, yet some hospitals make them work more. Many times they're going in for 120 to 140 hours a week. So help me out here, why should I work so hard to become a doctor if I'm just going to get my ass sued off?

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Phillip Schmid

Simple. Because through all of your hard work and study, people sharing Art's political philosophy (roughly: "you've got more than me, so hand it over") stand to get rich. They want to piggyback off your efforts in order to make up for their own shortcomings. They'll use class envy and trumped up media coverage to do so, because, after all, a perfect outcome should be within reach of every physician in every circumstance.

(I must caution you, though, that if you're too successful as a physician, you'll likely contribute to that other Big Social Problem: the overwhelmingly large population of the aged, for which the only prescribed remedy will be yet another form of socialism. Don't say you weren't warned.)

Personally, I hope that somebody like you who's bright enough to see the pitfalls continues on to become a medical doctor. You'll likely have to put up with idiots bemoaning your high pay and tolerate punitive insurance premiums, but good people are needed in the medical profession.

Best of luck.

--Geoff

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Geoff

So tell your fellow professionals not to screw up and insurance rates will go down. But instead you want government regulation. That is what I love about rightwingers. No government regulation allowed except to screw consumers.

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Art

In the 60's Merc's had the little wings. However it was quickly dropped before it reached the Cadillac wing proportions. See the link below

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site has a better picture selectoin This was just a quick google search. I'm sure that there's better site's out there. This is just what I was talking about.

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Full_Name

The Doctor's that complain about health insurance premiums are the last one's to want a competency ranking list posted for all.

If there were such a list posted, the AMA wouldn't be able to disguise the appallingly poor skill of some MD's.

Since we're on a Doctor / Lawyer rant here, have you ever heard a group of Lawyers b*tch that court results should be kept secret so that Lawyers with bad clients aren't punished? No Never.

It's a poor tradesman that blames his tools.

Yet Doctors seem to think that they should be able to hide poor practice behind "human variability". When in reality it's either incompetent Dr's, or experimentation on human guinea pigs who are too frail to "survive the treatment" (the MD should recognize before going down a given path the best course of action. After all they've got 8+ years of post grad training right?)

My plastic Surgeon has been practicing since 1964 & all of his work is word of mouth referral & cash payment, he's yet to be called to a medical review board for malpractice, and everyone I know that has gone to him has no qualms about using their lawyers for any complaints they have.

PS As a side note though I would think that a large # of those patients dying from medical mistakes are as a result of either understaffed nurses not having the time to carefully double check prescriptions to patients or lack of due diligence on the part of support staff.

Some Canadian Hospitals are providing patients with lists of their own medications so they can check that they're taking what they've been prescribed. (last think you want is an hemophiliac taking an Anticoagulant because someone didn't double check which bed got the heart medication & which the other medicine).

The main question is this though:

What kind of car is the Dr driving.............

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Full_Name

Wasn't the war on drugs a fund raising effort for the police forces?

I'm always puzzled when one drug ( for example powdered cocaine or rock cocaine ) is treated differently depending upon the target user group.

But I suppose whatever allows the police to strip search your girlfriends and frisk your wives to stop "evil dooers" has got to be good. :-)

Ahh... I should have gone into Law Enforcement..... The perks....

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Full_Name

I think that pretty much sums it up.

Thanks, I'm sure I'll be needing it when I'm all done with schooling.

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Phillip Schmid

I have no problems with suing IF the person can do a better job themselves based on the problems. I DO want legislature passed that'll limit the amount that can be gained. I think here in WI it's something like 100k, which is alot better then the millions that people seem to get.

I'm also not sure if you've heard, but doctors here in the US can choose to not see certain people. As a matter of fact I think in South Carolina some doctors have recently chosen not to treat lawyers and their clients that bring malpractice suits against them.

If it's so easy to tell people not to screw up and get it right then let's see how you do here.

A man injures his wrist on broken glass. Which of the following structures entering the palm superficial to the flexor retinaculum may be damaged?

Ulnar nerve and median nerve - A Median nerve and flexor digitorum profundus - B Median nerve and flexor pollicis longus - C Ulnar artery and ulnar nerve - D Ulnar nerve and flexor digitorum superficialis - E

I have a few more if you want to keep going too.

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Phillip Schmid

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