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She's an idiot, period. And another political hack who prefaces her "save the world" facade with phrases like, "We need to <fill in the blank>."
Needs. Never solutions.
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Please explain to me what solutions were offered by the Bush/Cheney administration. My fuel costs doubled, my salary/cost of living/cost of health picture is worse, my health costs prevent my retirement, and my grandchildren will never see a balanced budget or recovery from massive war debts.
I am more than ready for change. I think I am ready for Ron Paul.
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DanG wrote:

I guess you live in a different US than I do. Bush and Co. are total morons (as are all our current potential replacements), but during the past half dozen years:
My fuel costs have decreased My salary and bonuses have increased substantially My health insurance coverage has remained good and the cost has been relatively stable.
I don't really expect to ever be able to retire, but that is not a huge concern since I expect to drop dead at about 70 anyway.
While I don't have any grandchildren to worry about, the claimed "massive war debts" are no bigger than any of our previous wars which we recovered from financially just fine while also covering the costs of rebuilding the countries we blew up and/or defended.
I'd also be a lot more concerned with protecting my grandchildren from some insane theocracy (of any persuasion) than some mythical "war debt", since it's abundantly clear from all the examples around the world that Theocracy = Poverty for the masses.
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WOW, good job! Witfall went silent on that one! I'm ready for anyone who will take the republiturds out of office.
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ROFLMAO
Now that will solve the problem......
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Since Ron Paul is the only Constitutional canidate for probly the last 100 years, He most certainly will come the closest to steering the country back toward the orgional intent of less Fed Gov. and that is enough for me. (even though tax and spend critters and users will scream its unfair) KB
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On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 21:09:11 +0000 (UTC), Kevin Bottorff

He is a total KooK and has NO chance.....
Have you looked at his donor list?
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Part of any politician's challenge surrounding this issue is that there are very few solutions left. The best solutions cause a kneejerk reaction among the stupidest members of the population.
Example: No more federal funding for widening or maintaining urban highways unless mass transportation has been developed as far as possible in a particular city. Some cities haven't even tried. Or, to put it another way: Sorry, folks, but you need to consider taking a train of a bus, even if it means you have to sit next to..you know...those kinds of people. The ones who clean hotel rooms and wash dishes in restaurants. The ones you'd rather not have to see.
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The "no solution" rhetoric does nothing but lead those same stupid people. For some odd reason, the weak-minded are so easily led to vote for candidates who merely point out problems, but never offer solutions. As though some magic will occur to address the issues when they're fair-haired candidate takes office.
I remember Gore in 2000 ranting about how we "need" to address the problems in the public schools. This from a guy in that administration for eight years. What the hell did he or they do for the school system, for eight years, that left it with "needs"?

Some areas or states simply have no public systems to enable taking mass transit. In California, for example, it's common for people to live fifty or more miles of freeway away from home. They have no choice but to drive.
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I'm not saying there's no solution. I'm saying there is no solution that many people are comfortable with.

Loads of people live 50 miles from Manhattan, and take nice trains into the city to get to work. The problem with some cities is that they have no incentive to adopt these ideas. They also ignore what we now know about widening highways to reduce traffic: It only leads to more traffic.
It is not yet known when we can expect vehicles with vastly improved gas mileage. But, mass transportation is KNOWN to work, if some thought it put into it.
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I know what you meant.
Some areas or states simply have no public systems to enable taking mass

Nice if you have them. Here, if anyone suggests building trains, the first thing that happens is environmentalist whackos getting court injunctions to stop the laying of tracks. Much like people who say we need to stop buying foreign oil, but won't allow the building of refineries or drilling domestically. Much like those who want you in a 50+ mpg econo-box, while they drive around in SUVs.

It's too late for that here.
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We had an interesting situation here a few years ago. Along one of our major highways was an old unused rail bed. The highway carries lots of traffic from downtown to various sprawlville communities between 5 and 10 miles away. Advocates for light rail service pointed out that a train would cost less over any 10 year period than widening and maintaining the highway. The highway project won anyway. I think part of the problem is political connections to the construction industry. Matter of fact, I'm sure of it, based on comments from an insider here in my town.
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Maybe in NY. Here, if something has remained unused for any length of time, some environmentalist will "find" and "define" a new sub-species of rat, bird, or bug in the area to ensure nothing is ever used or re-used.
The entire attitude can be summed-up thusly: People are vermin, and need to be eliminated to ensure the planet's survival.
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said:

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Indeed. How do we nominate those who will be eliminated first?
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Ask Earth First, PETA, or Greenpeace members. They all seem to be arbitrary enough to take the plunge.
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I've never noticed ideas like that with Greenpeace. Who told you to say that?
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This is common, however, to set goals that seem impossible, but timespans that leave no one remembering how all this crap got started.
IF we could average 55 mpg, that would be superb...And we will never do it unless goals are set and results demanded. (No, I dont think it is possible by todays standards, but who knows??)
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20 years ago, nobody new 5th graders would be using mobile phones and exchanging SMS while listening to MP3s players the size of my thumb. 5 years ago there were no Iphones that can do all 3 and browse the internet. Technology does that on their own and no need for govt. intervention. But giving manufacturers a nudge wouldn't hurt
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Uh oh. Some idiot's going to interpret the word "nudge" to mean GUVMINT CONTROL DROOL BURP YOU'RE A SOCIALIST.
Heh. :-)
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EdV wrote:

The Iphone is a rather bad example since there most certainly were devices that do *everything* an Iphone can do years before the Iphone came out. Of course they were not produced / marketed by the great Apple so to the great Apple's loyal minions they didn't exist.
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